This link was posted fairly recently for 2twisty on another thread but here it is again along with a list of changes
from the Readme-Changes.txt file that comes with this exe.
boB
http://fusion.midnitesolar.com/MidNiteSolarUpdate_1923_12-18-2014_v4.60.exe
12-18-2014
Classic build 1923
Lifetime kW-Hours and Lifetime Amp-Hours will now accumulate and
not be limited to just 16 bits worth. (long time bug) 65535
Aux 1 SOC% output will now remember On/Off state through an auto-restart cycle
Whizbang Junior accumulations will save periodically throughout the day to non-volatile memory every 90 minutes
Classic will go to Resting for 8 seconds when MPPT mode and power output stays below 50 watts for 15 minutes in Legacy, Hydro or Dynamic tracking mode if Insomnia is On. (night charging sanity check)
Removed VariMax Absorb mode
MNGP build 1922
Added menu LIMITS---MORE--- High battery temperature charger shut off
Fixed Daily Hi-Power graphs log numerical readout. Was only
showing 3 digits
Increased time required to show "Got Comm ?" message by 2 seconds
Is there new FW for the graphic display too ? Local app ? The web page links still show April 2014 versions
Mike do you mean the MNGP? 1922?? ::)
Quote from: Westbranch on January 04, 2015, 01:29:02 PM
Mike do you mean the MNGP? 1922?? ::)
Yes, MNGP
this is whats loaded now:
Firmware:
- Classic Rev: 1849
- Network Rev: 1839
Where can I find the newer versions, the web page at
http://www.midnitesolar.com/firmwareReport.php?firmware_ID=9&firmwareProduct_ID=1&act=edit
still has v1849 listed. could not find network/MNGP firmware.
Bob - you have the message title a bit wrong - 1-18-14 instead of 12-18-14 .
I haven't been back to load it up and try it out yet but will .
Larry
I've been running 1923 since its release and it has been working well for me.
Thanks boB!
For the Love of God,,,Give us back a choice between Celsius and Fahrenheit
Bit of a problem - I am trying to update this now - darn cold out in the shed -10 F ( -23 c ) Both updates seemed to go okay from the laptop . But nothing showing on the MNGP which I had remote in the nice warm camper. I took it out to the shed and did VMM ( only way to hold buttons in and power on at same time) It asked to verify battery voltage, then charging voltage, and time but after that stuck on screen
Sending Data
4136 502
Tried VMM again same results.
Local Status App connects up and shows updated firmware.1923 classic 1839 network
I guess I will try to upload MNGP update again soon as my fingers and toes warm up a bit.
Larry
Found new software on Midnite update page
Firmware Revision Number: REV 1933 Production for Windows Will need Factory Restore after install
Firmware Revision Date: 1-8-2015-
but same result after loading it. I am uninstalling update from my computer and downloading it from Midnite page again , reloading it onto computer , and will try update for 4th time .
Everything looks like it was working okay .
Finally ! Got it working 1933 MNGP 1/8/2015 1923 Classic 12/18/14 1839 Network
I had reloaded 1849 but had same no MNGP stuck screen. Finally noticed the How to reboot with jumpers info on Firmware update page and tried that and MNGP finally got unstuck and loaded. I then installed the newest Rev 1933 updates and had to do the jumper reboots again - for some reason the VMM left and right arrow buttons won't work for me now.
So a few hours after I started - alls well that ends well . If I wasn't doing all that running back and forth to the shed I probably would have just been sitting around by the woodstove being unproductive.
So you are saying the MNGP VMM doesn't work at all or it gets Stuck?
Ryan
MNGP working fine now - was stuck trying to send down data like you mentioned in other thread post. If power was reset MNGP would go to Solar , setpoints, time setup again but then get stuck on the Sending Data screen and not respond to any button pushes.
The hard reset with the 4th and 1st jumpers inside the Classic let it go through same setup but then it worked properly on Sending Data and after that MNGP and Classic worked normally again.
I just Bricked two Classics here, same as CL Crazy noted hangs "Sending Data" in the Time update screen.
Have Uninstalled the 4.62 file, and reloaded it onto the Laptop, but perhaps need to Hard Boot the Classics, as noted -- yes, did VMM, am using the latest Production FW -- 1-8-15.
These two Classics S/N in the 1800 range. FWIW, Any one else having this issue?
Vic
OK, did purge the previous u/d file, and reloaded the latest Production FW again.
Re-Updated both the Classic 150 and MNGP FW, and it again gets hung sending data from the Time of day menu, still
The Lite VMM is totally new to me, and the precise EXACT way to do that is not clear, from searches on this site.
Did install the #1 and #4 jumper blocks, couple of LEDs did lite, but, of course, it is not clear if there is a sequence of install, and removing said jumpers, and what would be the duration? And, does one power-cycle the Classic, and if so, what is the sequence of that ... have NO Cl Lites here, so when the MNGP hangs, do not know what to do, and in what exact sequence ...
Wish that there was a straightforward way to simply revert to the April 2014 FW.
Have never had FW Update issues, after getting the Com 8 stuff done on this same Laptop ... Any guidance appreciated. Thanks Vic
There is a detailed howto for the hardware VMM bottom of this page:
http://www.midnitesolar.com/firmwareReport.php?firmware_ID=9&firmwareProduct_ID=1&act=edit
Also note the firmware there is now 1933.
Vic here is what boB wrote to me on a problem I was having with updating
QuoteThere is another way to do a VMM factory/restore if the software updated correctly but the battery voltage
will come up as 12V until changed with the MNGP or the Local status panel...
There are 4 jumpers behind the main power terminal block on the control board... Power the classic
off and back on and within one minute, install the right-most and the left-most jumpers.
The 3 LED on the control board will flash back and forth. Then you can un-install those
two jumpers.
boB
hth
Eric
Ps it would help if you are like me and have old stiff fingers, to use a pair of disposable PLASTIC SURGICAL TWEASERS, to reach into that tight space above the terminal block. the ones I have are kind of a pale green colour..
hth
Hi Zone, yea, thanks that was what I had loaded on Jan 12, and uninstalled it and reloaded again onto the laptop ... still hangs FOREVER "Sending Data"
Thanks Eric, have tried a number of permutations on those one and four jumpers, but the LEDs do not sequence, they just stay lit at fairly low intensity.
Dunno. But have some more bricks for construction around here ...
Mabe the previous Production FW is hanging around on the laptop ... This is the earliest that I have ever tried new FW. Normally wait a few months for others to endure any disappointments.
Thanks ! Vic
Quote from: Westbranch on January 15, 2015, 07:05:45 PM
Ps it would help if you are like me and have old stiff fingers, to use a pair of disposable PLASTIC SURGICAL TWEASERS, to reach into that tight space above the terminal block. the ones I have are kind of a pale green colour..
hth
Thanks Erik. Am in the Center of Nowhere, and at a remote site at that. Have no tweezers, or needle nose, but did use a screwdriver to pry off the jumpers ... only dropped two of them, but only once.
The updates seemed to go fine ... waited for the updater to close itself for the Cl UD, and the MNGP UD quickly returned to the GUI screen ... oh well ... Thanks, Vic
Thinking about that it would be nice if they had a "Previous Version" location to access at times like this.... when latest and greatest.... isn't...
Quote from: Westbranch on January 15, 2015, 07:16:24 PM
Thinking about that it would be nice if they had a "Previous Version" location to access at times like this.... when latest and greatest.... isn't...
Yes it would, and as far as I know, the new FW over-writes the previous when we download a later version. Perhaps not ...
but, in a few days we are gonna need to charge batteries ... OK, Thanks zoneblue, and Erik.
Time to leave this site ... am sure glad that there is an Internet node here.
Thanks, Vic
Vic - did you get your Classic going yet ? I did load the old firmware 1849 back in , then did the 4th jumper first - then the first jumper and the leds top would start blinking different colors if I remember correctly. I think I powered down Classic, then removed jumpers and repowered and went through the setup but this time MNGP sent data okay . I then loaded up the newest firmware again and did the same process just stated and again the MNGP sent data okay after the jumper reset.
I hope you get your system going - and yes I was glad I had the old firmware version still on my laptop. If you need it I can email it to you or load it into dropbox or google drive somewhere you can download it.
It truly is disconcerting when the Classic won't do anything ! And yes those jumpers are a bit difficult to pin on , especially with cold hands .
Good luck .
Larry
Here is 1849 firmware if you need it
(updating this post to add official Midnite link to previous firmwares)
http://fusion.midnitesolar.com/
WOW !! Thanks Larry! Really appreciate the previous FW version.
Can't thank you enough.
NO, both Classics are still hung, trying to send Time data..
Think that there is really nothing that I need that is in the new rev., that is not in the previous.
Will try implanting the version that you sent. Thanks again, and will advise. Vic
And, Larry,
I may need to use your jumper trick to get the previous FW running.
Thanks, also for the tip on the jumper sequence.
Really appreciate all your help. Thanks again!! Vic
OK, THANKS again ClassicCrazy Larry for the info and the previous rev of the Classic FW.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, AFTER INSTALLING 1923 FW IN TWO CLASSIC 150s AT THIS LOCATION, A JUMPER RESET WAS REQUIRED. WITHOUT THIS JUMPER RESET, NO AMOUNT OF RELOADING THE SOFTWARE FROM THE MN SOLAR SITE, REUPLAODING INTO THE CLASSICS, etc WOULD UN-HANG EITHER CLASSIC 150.
A PCB Jumper Reset was the only thing that un-hung the Classic (standard model with MNGPs).
In the release notes, the method of Jumper Resetting is detailed -- copied from there:
The way to do the hardware version of the factory restore (VMM)is as follows. There are 4 sets of jumpers directly above the blue terminal block. For the purpose of this we will call the left most jumper JP1 and the right most JP4 (actually labeled "Boot") •Step 1- Turn the PV and Battery power off to the Classic and remove the front cover
•Step 2- Locate the 2 jumpers JP1 and JP2. Take the actual jumpers and keep them in your hand
•Step 3- Turn the Battery power on to the classic
•Step 4- within 1 minute place jumper JP4 on its two pins and then place jumper JP1 on its two pins. at this point the 3 LEDs on the top of the circuit board should flash back and forth for about 60 seconds.
•Step 5- After the flashing stops power down the classic and remove JP1 and JP4 and stow them back on a single pin like they where.
•Step 6- Put the front cover on and power up the Classic Lite (or Classic). If you have the MNLP set to Custom you will need to go to the local app and reset the battery voltage and setpoints etc.
Technically, at this point my comments relate to Production FW, and my posts on this matter does not really belong here, as believe that what was a Beta, became Production 1923 without any mods (?).
NOTE: When doing the Jumper Reset, you MUST WAIT for the LEDs on the Classic main board to STOP blinking -- previously, I gave up too soon, and guess that all of the Resetting was not complete. (this wait interval was not actually defined in Erik's posted info from boB - IMO). One Classic reste took about 45 seconds, the other about 38 seconds, by my count.
AND, there IS a lot of customized data that must re-entered into the Classics to return them from the Factory Defaults ... be certain to check the Charge > Limits menu for voltage limits. These seem narrow to me ... but all of those customized settings are there because the Classic CC is so very flexible and capable - I should not complain.
Am back to 1849. Thanks to all who posted helpful info -- have never needed to do anything but the MNGP VMM ... this time that was not sufficient and the Classics got permanently HUNG.
FWIW, Thanks, Vic ... now back to doing the work that I came to this site to really do.
Good to hear you got the firmware loaded and working again Vic.
I know what you mean about putting the settings back in. Too bad there isn't a way to save them on a file and reload - but guess that wouldn't work when a firmware update changes things around. It would be nice if there was a way to at least just save a text file of the parameters and settings so after the firmware update you could compare it to the previous ones to make sure they were all entered in correctly . I just thought of something - maybe saving screen shots of Local Status App config screens would serve that purpose. Problem with that is Local Status App won't show the whole config without scrolling down so will take more than three screen shots.
Larry
My gripes about all of the custom settings is primarily, that this one site is seldom attended, and if I happen to miss re-setting one of the Customizations that we count on to do its job, it might take a while to discover it. For example, had changed from Classic current monitoring function to " Shunt ", but forgot that Aux 2 does not default to WbJr enabled, etc.
Anyway, we have read here, that there is a plan that the LA will have the ability to save and restore customizations in the future ... have never used the LA, but this may be a good reason to do so, when that is implemented.
But, we are back on-line now, with 1849, so Thank You very much, Larry for that file, and the note that you had to Hard Reset your Classic ... surprised that there have not been others who had this issue.
Have fun, keep warm, Thanks again Larry, Wb and zoneblue for the replies. Vic
Local Status App makes it easier to change all those settings.
I did go on to the latest firmware and have had no problems with it - but did have to do the jumper reset for it.
Vic said... "NOTE: When doing the Jumper Reset, you MUST WAIT for the LEDs on the Classic main board to STOP blinking -- previously, I gave up too soon, ....."
You should not really have to wait for the LEDs to stop flashing. Just give it a few seconds, say 5 or 10 seconds and then remove the jumpers and
re-power the classic. The Classic will not boot when the boot jumper is on when re-powering it which is why it has to be used after the Classic has been power cycled.
Vic, when you re-powered the Classic after updating it to 1923, did the 3 LEDs on the Classic board come on one at a time left to right for 3 seconds and then flash back and forth with fans turning on at power up self test ? If so, when you did the VMM from MNGP display, did it send ANY data at all before sticking ? The biggest bit of information on that is what address number did it stick at ?
The normal reason this sending data sticking problem happens is when the Classic is updated but the MNGP/Remote is not updated.
There MAY be some new registers in the Classic that were not there in the previous revision. I don't think there are in rev 1923
that were not there in 1849 but not positive.
Another reason the MNGP may stick is because the Classic did NOT get successfully updated and it has not firmware in it.
In this case, the 3 LEDs will not flash back and forth after the 3 second (or so) LED left to right count-down.
The MNGP will get stuck sending data at the very first address if the Classic is not communicating with the MNGP.
If it IS communicating and it is just a matter that the MNGP didn't get updated, then the MNGP will send at least some
data before getting stuck.
BTW, there are a bunch of older firmware revisions always at this site...
http://fusion.midnitesolar.com/
It is not absolutely necessary but I suggest going into the C:/midnitesolar directory and running uninstall before
running the new MidnitesolarUpdate .exe file.
Take your pick !
The Local App has the import/export settings function but I believe that release of this version is on hold because
there is another issue regarding the LA and disconnects that is being solved as well.
That is in addition to the Classic networking which, as I understand, is coming close to a resolve in its disconnect
issue as well.
boB
Hi boB,
Thanks for the detailed reply.
1. On the LEDs, guess that because when doing the MNGP VMM, I had felt that the Jumper Reset would essentially be instantaneous, simply did not even wait five seconds. And waiting for the LEDs to stop blinking is a good indicator that the process must be done.
2. After updating to 1923, I believe that the LEDs on the Classic board did NOT blink, but am not absolutely sure. Also believe that there was never any data sent, it just hung. I did not note the Hang address ... was not in the Engineer mode, just knew that whatever was wrong was my doing -- each of the two Classics had exactly the same issue, and same exact behavior.
3. Have always updated the Classics first and then the MNGPs. There was no indication (to me) that the MNGPs had not been updated, other than, perhaps that the Updater terminated only a short time after updating was complete. It seems to take about three minutes after updating the Classics for all of the process windows to automatically close, and having the UD GUI again fully visible.
4. In the future, will look for the Classic board LEDs blinking on power up.
Honestly, I do not update the Classics very frequently. I do not want to be on the leading edge, and unless there is something that is really needed in a rev (like WBjr functionality) will usually wait to update. There is a reasonable amount of risk in changing a battery charging system that is known, and has been working fairly well over a period of time -- forgetting to set something that is newly added, or something that has been there at remote sites with larger/expensive batteries is a significant concern [This is what happened when the Charge Voltage Limits were added -- did not know that they were there, had been having a long warm spell in Winter, then it turned cold. The large bank got fairly far behind on charge, took too long to notice, and it took 7 weeks to get the bank back up ... was worried that I had ruined a $16 K battery. This was due to the charge V limits being much too narrow for a FLA bank that is cool, IMO]. Having the Classic retain all user settings during an update would be great, as it might well take 15 minutes to re-enter each of the very important parameters, but guess that this is too difficult, as no one can know in advance just how much of that parameter memory will be needed after a few passing years. Having the LA do this is probably the next best approach.
5. Yes, I did uninstall the 1923 before reverting to 1849 ... I had found previous update files in Downloads on the laptop, but was uncertain just how to point the Updater to any of those files. THANKS for the Link to previous versions ... had seen some reference to that on this Forum in the past, but had too many things to do while at that site that had to be done ... not just updating the Classics.
There are a number of variables in updating Classics. The ONLY issue that have ever had was in getting the Com Port 8 initially set. The Update process has never been an issue -- have always updated the Classic 150 first, and then the MNGP. For whatever reason, this time, neither of the Classics behaved normally. This is not a cheery feeling, especially for a remote site, and so on.
One of the main reasons that I wanted to update the Classics, was that I had noticed that a Classic had initiated an EQ on its own -- have never done an Auto EQ. This is worrying to me ... sure would love to be able to set EQ V to Vfloat. Have usually set EQ time to 00:00, but, still believe that the EQ might run until it exits EQ MPPT, and then perhaps then quit. Would love to be able to guarantee that EQ NEVER occurs unless there is manual intervention.
Thanks again! Am one who was begging and begging for you guys to get the Classic out for us to use. It is a great CC, with many benefits to its users. But, am one of those who always wants more, and more. 73, Vic
Vic
I'm glad I am not alone in seeing the Classic jump to EQ mode by itself. Started another thread on this a few weeks ago, but no real solution or what may be causing this random EQ Start. I don't like the way the EQ Start EQ Stop is configured to not require an Enter to get it to change states. Per boB it is just a flag that is set. See other thread.
http://midniteforum.com/index.php?topic=2259.0 (http://midniteforum.com/index.php?topic=2259.0)
Hi John,
Thanks for the Link ... had read that just after you posted it.
Have only seen this occur once, and have not studied the Logs looking for it. And am not yet using the LA or MyMidNite, or any other data collection activity.
Think that we all agree that the Classic is a very capable CC, by far the best available, in my book.
Appreciate all of the work that you and the other active users of MN products, and the MN Team for working so hard to make MidNite products by far the best.
I was a bit cranky about that recent Update. Still do not know what I did wrong .. the only fairly unusual thing was that the Classics were running the previous version of the MNGP FW, not the one paired with the 1849, when that was released. There has been some earlier comments in not taking too large jumps in FW revs ... but that might have been resolved by VMMing.
Anyway, if we could set EQ time to 00:00, AND be able to set Veq = Vfloat, then seems that things would be quite benign ... although one might miss some or all of an Absorb stage, perhaps ...
Thanks again, Vic
Vic, did you successfully get 1923 to load ?
Hi boB,
I was happy to get back to 1849 ... am very busy, and will take another run at updating to the latest in a month or two.
Believe that am now running the MNGP FW that was paired with 1849 .. believe that previously was running 1849, with the previous rev of the MNGP FW.
73 - Thanks! Vic
Hi All.
I have two Classics(one at my house and the other at my girlfriend's). On one at my house, I am unable to get the MNGP to update. The one at my GF's went without a hitch on the MNGP and Classic firmware update.
I was able to update the Classic firmware on mine, but I am having troubles with the MNGP. I have done the VMM, hardware jumper resets, etc.
When doing the update to the MNGP, the software acts like it is going to work, but then I get a failed message. The MNGP and Classic boot like there is no MNGP firmware update going to happen. When I did the update on the other Classic, the MNGP stayed blank until the update was done and the Classic was rebooted.
Right now everything still seems to work with the Classic updated and MNGP not updated, but I know there are some menu settings I may not have access to through the MNGP.
Any ideas on what I should try next?
Thanks.
Quote from: phxmark on February 19, 2015, 10:13:26 AM
Hi All.
I have two Classics(one at my house and the other at my girlfriend's). On one at my house, I am unable to get the MNGP to update. The one at my GF's went without a hitch on the MNGP and Classic firmware update.
I was able to update the Classic firmware on mine, but I am having troubles with the MNGP. I have done the VMM, hardware jumper resets, etc.
When doing the update to the MNGP, the software acts like it is going to work, but then I get a failed message. The MNGP and Classic boot like there is no MNGP firmware update going to happen. When I did the update on the other Classic, the MNGP stayed blank until the update was done and the Classic was rebooted.
Right now everything still seems to work with the Classic updated and MNGP not updated, but I know there are some menu settings I may not have access to through the MNGP.
Any ideas on what I should try next?
Thanks.
Maybe try reloading previous firmware and then try the new one again.
Have you checked the MNGP connections, Loose? had a Loose one on my BTS that gave an error message of not connected , it was tight but not seated properly , gave it random intermittent on/off, no longer after pressing it in hard...
Quote from: phxmark on February 19, 2015, 10:13:26 AM
Right now everything still seems to work with the Classic updated and MNGP not updated, but I know there are some menu settings I may not have access to through the MNGP.
Any ideas on what I should try next?
Thanks.
I would suggest getting in touch with our support people so that we can swap your MNGP
or something to get you up to date.
If you'd like to get the ball rolling this weekend, or at least be in line for Monday morning,
you might email roy@ and raechel@ (midnitesolar.com) with a link to this forum topic
and your phone number.
If I think of something else to try this weekend I'll post it here.
boB
I'll check the connections tonight. Also, where can I download the previous versions of firmware for the Classic and MNGP? They don't appear in the Software section.
Thanks,
Mark
Quote from: boB on January 17, 2015, 12:53:59 AM...
BTW, there are a bunch of older firmware revisions always at this site...
http://fusion.midnitesolar.com/
It is not absolutely necessary but I suggest going into the C:/midnitesolar directory and running uninstall before
running the new MidnitesolarUpdate .exe file.
Take your pick !
boB
FWIW, Vic
FWIW, I just updated to 1923 today and the MGNP froze at the first register as has been noted in this thread. A hardware jumper reset (on a standard Classic 150) was the only way past it.
Quote from: mofawayesu on March 12, 2015, 04:20:57 PM
FWIW, I just updated to 1923 today and the MGNP froze at the first register as has been noted in this thread. A hardware jumper reset (on a standard Classic 150) was the only way past it.
Now if you do the network update in the other post you will be able to try out the new MyMidnite page with all the new monitoring features. That one went in simply with no lockups or change any settings.