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Title: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Halfcrazy on February 19, 2015, 08:00:26 AM
Andrew has been crushing bugs and tweaking TCP/IP and thinks he has it licked. We do know there is a bug in the Local App also that can cause issues here and there and will be working on that.

So for those that are having problems and want to try the new code remember it is BETA. It will also break the connection to My Midnite as this code has all the good stuff for the new server. So this means you can Beta test the new My Midnite also if you like (PM me for the IP address and URL etc)

This update is assuming you are using a PC that has updated a Classic before and has the driver all installed and working (if not stop here and give us a shout)

Download this file http://ryan.midnitesolar.com/install_1900.zip (http://ryan.midnitesolar.com/install_1900.zip) and unpack it some where that you can find it.

Now with the power off to the classic follow these steps:

1-Open the file labeled install_1900
2- Double click on the file named "classicnetup.BAT"
3- Follow the prompts in the black boxes and turn power on to the classic when told to, Com 8 should open and percentage should count up
4- Black boxes will close automatically, when they do turn the power off to the classic
5- Double click the file named "classicxxx.BAT' where xxx is 150,200 or 250
6- Follow the prompts in the black boxes and turn power on to the classic when told to, Com 8 should open and percentage should count up
4- Black boxes will close automatically, when they do turn the power off to the classic and back on

that should be it, as always check the settings after you are done to make sure nothing changed. And let us know here asap if you see anything bad.

Ryan
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on February 19, 2015, 08:08:05 AM
I'd like to add that this is more like an ALPHA test. That means it is most likely broken and you should go into testing being fully aware that it is most likely buggy and will not work as expected.

This will not work with the current MyMidNite server. You will have to point both your browser and your classic to the test server:

browser:
https://50.57.186.168/

Classic (MM) on the MNGP->NET menu / DNS Override on the Local App:
50.57.186.168

****NOTE that you will have to reboot the Classic for the DNS override setting to take effect!

Anyone who had an account on mymidnite as of about this time last year should be able to log on with no problems. If you have added any new devices or have made an account since then, please PM me or email me at webmaster@mymidnite.com along with your device info and I'll get your devices registered.

This is a test server and will most likely not work as expected. You may not get emailed with account details, you may be missing datapoints, it might simply not work at all. Please take note of all the problems you see and let me know about them in this thread or through the email address above or the forum PM system.

Please also note that any data logged to this test server WILL MOST LIKELY BE DELETED at the end of the testing period.

Thanks!
-Andrew
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 19, 2015, 10:59:50 AM
Ryan,
Do we need to do VMM after this ? If not will it delete all our setpoints and all those need to be re-entered ?

Thanks,
Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Halfcrazy on February 19, 2015, 11:14:10 AM
You should not need to do a VMM and no it "should not" change any settings but please do verify that
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on February 19, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
You can also now use the Local App to export your settings first, then do the updgrade and VMM, then reload your old settings back. The import/export feature is new as of Local App 0.3.65 found under the Configuration menu.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 19, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: atop8918 on February 19, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
You can also now use the Local App to export your settings first, then do the updgrade and VMM, then reload your old settings back. The import/export feature is new as of Local App 0.3.65 found under the Configuration menu.

Didn't know about the import export feature - something I very much look forward to using.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 21, 2015, 11:45:36 AM
Just loaded the updates - they seemed to go fine.

Logged into the new beta mymidnite site ( had to make exception to okay because of some kind of untrusted site certificate ?)

I was able to log in but don't see any data yet -showing me this message

This Classic has not been able to communicate with the server for more than 2 weeks. Check your device's network connection and consider upgrading its firmware.

Info on the Beta Mymidnite site says I have 1849 firmware but I have the newest firmware
this is what Local Status App says I have

Firmware:     
- Classic Rev: 1923
- Network Rev: 1824

I will check back into later to see if it collects anything .



Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on February 21, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
Hi, Larry,
Thanks for helping us test this out. Just as a sanity check -- have you changed the MM/DNS override address on the classic(s) to 50.57.186.168 as well?

The untrusted site cert is normal as there is no DNS associated with the test instance and I just used a self-signed cert to enable the https TLS encryption.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 21, 2015, 01:14:41 PM
Quote from: atop8918 on February 21, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
Hi, Larry,
Thanks for helping us test this out. Just as a sanity check -- have you changed the MM/DNS override address on the classic(s) to 50.57.186.168 as well?

The untrusted site cert is normal as there is no DNS associated with the test instance and I just used a self-signed cert to enable the https TLS encryption.

I don't know what the MM/DNS override is so I guess I did not change it - something I need to do ? I will look in menu's to see if I can spot it .
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 21, 2015, 01:23:27 PM
I found a MM setting on second screen of NET menu - it was all zeros so just put in the 50.57.186.168
also changed the D1 above it but still no success reading anything on the mymidnite beta
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on February 22, 2015, 12:56:48 AM
Hi, Larry,
Sorry I didn't mention it above but when the DNS override is changed it requires a reboot of the Classic to take effect. You can reboot with the Local App Config->Basic->Bully menu or by flipping the PV and Battery breakers to the Classic.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 22, 2015, 10:25:49 AM
Success !
Could not seem to get it to work yesterday when I was pushing buttons via the MNGP but just tried it again using Local Status App and did the Bully reset - this time connected up to the new site. I also see some of my data from yesterday was in there too.

I will check it out - good to see System Amps and other settings on there now ! I guess that means that there will be some valuable information on the charts now at night instead of just a flat line.  And no more three only limit on the graph .

Thanks for the changes - looking forward to see how it looks when I get more data in there.

Larry 
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 22, 2015, 11:54:26 AM
Looks good so far - though the Energy scale says wh instead of kwh  and the numbers don't seem to match what the Classic is reporting.

Status does not report - says unknown(771)  except I have seen it report Resting.

How often do these readings update from the Classic to to MyMidnite beta site ?

Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on February 22, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Excellent. Please keep the bug list coming and I will try to squash as many as possible for release.
The update is once every 5 minutes, although we may have to dial this back for general release.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 23, 2015, 01:35:33 PM
Here are few more comments

Is there no way to ever have those graphs auto scale so there is not for example 60 amp scale for 1 amp graph ? Same for battery voltage and others .

On the main Mymidnite beta page there is a tab that says pressme and does nothing - it is above my system name. When I was trying to first get everything going I made a Test tab but it won't let me delete it.

The only Icons key I have seen is the Padlock which means password enabled. Maybe you have not implemented the others yet ?

Not sure if you can figure out a way to do it - but with a 5 minute or more report time it may make it very difficult to ever spot the ending amps point . Ideally for setting up a new system you would want to watch the lines of SOC and system amps merge  - so when SOC got counted up to 100 percent you could tell about where system amps was leveling out yet. That way with a check of the specific gravity of battery electrolyte a person could more easily determine that. Would there ever be a way to make user selectable report rates ?  Could one person have one  minute reports and less history than someone with 5 minute reports ? Is the limitation what your servers can store ?

I am watching the Mymidnite beta this week but since I am not there and no loads it won't be too exciting until I get back and use some power.

The new Mymidnite beta page has some real advantages over the old one so thanks again .

Larry

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on February 23, 2015, 01:59:02 PM
Hi, Larry,
Thanks again for checking things out for us. To answer your questions:

- I am currently working on an auto scale feature which will peg the graphs to the max and min points for the selected data range instead of auto-scaling, to use your example, 1-amp graph to a 60 amp scale.
- All the icons are implemented so if you aren't seeing any others then it may be a bug. 'Course there may also not be any other active warnings as well. Keep an eye on it and let me know if it's stuck on just the password enable icon.
- The pressme is a debugging button for checking to see if I can download legacy data -- you may see weird buttons like this pop up from time to time. You should feel free to press them -- I'll put up a warning or something if they do bad things.
- THe test tab not getting deleted is definitely a bug -- I'll have to look into that and see if I can find the problem.


- Unfortunately allowing higher resolution graphing is not really a possibility -- it's a question of the server more than anything else. If enough people suddenly turned up the logging frequency then the server would crash and pull the whole system down. MyMidNite is intended more of a gross system analysis tool rather than a tweaking tool -- the Local App is meant for that kind of high-resolution data logging; to use your example again, for determining an appropriate setting for ending amps.

Thanks again for the help!
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 23, 2015, 02:20:07 PM

Another thing I just noticed is Float time says
Status:   Unknown(1284)
Float:   04:02:15 d:h:m

I think it should be labeled h:m:s   for hours minutes seconds instead

Now that you mention it maybe I wouldn't have gotten any of those other icons after I looked at the list again.  I was thinking there would be one for Float but that would be in the Status which I had already reported not displaying.

Yes on the graph scale is like you said  is what I meant - so that you can see a sharper curve for smaller changes.

Does the Local Status App let you graph System Amps and SOC ? If it does then yeah - that is the way to do it and Mymidnite beta is just fine.

Larry

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on February 23, 2015, 02:45:26 PM
That's a good point -- not sure if the local app was updated with those values. If not then it can be done.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 23, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
WBjr % SOC is a graphical point in the Local App along with the WBjr Amps, WBjr AH +, WBjr AH -, WBjr AH (net), and WBjr AH Remaining. Remember it takes putting more Amp/Hours back in than what was removed to fully charge the batteries back up.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 23, 2015, 04:02:37 PM
Doesn't the 94% efficiency parameter on the SOC setup take care of compensating for the extra amps in - so when it reads 100% full it has actually put in more than it took out right ?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
I've got my efficiency factor set to 90% (Battery Bank 1 1/2 years old) and when my SOC hits 100% it is still putting 19A into the batteries. My EA is set to 5A. the 5A is where my amps taper off on my graph. So I do not depend on the % SOC to determine my EA. I depend on where the WBjr Amps into  the batteries level off (flatten out on graph). There are a lot of factors such as Peukert's Law for SOC that are not in the MN SOC calculations.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on February 24, 2015, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on February 23, 2015, 04:02:37 PM
Doesn't the 94% efficiency parameter on the SOC setup take care of compensating for the extra amps in - so when it reads 100% full it has actually put in more than it took out right ?

Yes, that is what makes amp-hours going in slower than amp-hours coming out of the batteries.

SOC will stop going up after it hits 100% but you can still add amp-hours to the battery.  Not sure
what good it would do if it really is at 100% ?  If that is in Float, probably not much but if
in Absorb, it could help the batteries as long as it isn't done ALL the time.  Will also
waste some energy but if you have all this extra solar....

boB
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 24, 2015, 08:38:38 AM
Quote from: Resthome on February 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
I've got my efficiency factor set to 90% (Battery Bank 1 1/2 years old) and when my SOC hits 100% it is still putting 19A into the batteries. My EA is set to 5A. the 5A is where my amps taper off on my graph. So I do not depend on the % SOC to determine my EA. I depend on where the WBjr Amps into  the batteries level off (flatten out on graph). There are a lot of factors such as Peukert's Law for SOC that are not in the MN SOC calculations.

I guess I would be looking for that same flattening point to find ending amps.  I know the SOC is dependent on how you set it up on capacity and efficiency. I have mine set up to pretty much agree so by the time SOC gets to 100%  the ending amps is leveling off, and the specific gravity will confirm all is well.

I want to help a friend find the correct ending amps and now that we have system amps to follow it is much easier to find that point , better than in the past staring at the input meter for a long time while making sure there were no loads.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 24, 2015, 03:46:10 PM
Yeah, I've looked a few more graphs and the SOC reaches 100% a lot closer to EA than the one I posted about earlier. More like around 8 Amps. I like to look at the graph of the data to see the leveling off.  You can see where it met the EA and when to Float.

Sorry for the off topic discussion.

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 24, 2015, 06:25:59 PM
What is the sample rate on that graph ?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 25, 2015, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on February 24, 2015, 06:25:59 PM
What is the sample rate on that graph ?

It's 2 seconds per the time stamps. It's the live data dump from the Local App.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on February 25, 2015, 07:42:29 PM

Resthome. Could you do that WB Jr. current graph again except add battery voltage to it too ?

Can you post an excel file maybe too ?   Then we could add "Absorb" and "Float" to the display, etc.

as well as when the sun went down, etc.

That's a cool graph you got.  Shows the day in the life of a charge controller.

boB
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 25, 2015, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: boB on February 25, 2015, 07:42:29 PM

Resthome. Could you do that WB Jr. current graph again except add battery voltage to it too ?

Can you post an excel file maybe too ?   Then we could add "Absorb" and "Float" to the display, etc.

as well as when the sun went down, etc.

That's a cool graph you got.  Shows the day in the life of a charge controller.

boB

boB

This data was from April 6, 2014.  As you can see there was a gap in the data from 3:49pm to 7:16pm where I did not capture the data for some reason. Also it shows it going back to absorb at around 2:06pm for 1hr. I forced that for some reason can’t recall why.  It was in MPPT Float at 7:16pm when I started collecting data again and it was resting at 7:45pm.

I have the whole Excel file but its 1.8M so I can’t attach the file with the forum limits. Be glad to send it to you if you PM me with a location.


Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on February 25, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
That's cool !   I got the file and plotted the voltage on the right side so that it had its own scale
which zooms in a bit better.

I think I see the lapse in time but I'm not quite sure ?  You didn't do anything to bring it back ?

Hmmmm...    Is this the newest firmware ?  The firmware that Andrew posted for testing ?

boB
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: CDN-VT on February 25, 2015, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: Resthome on February 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
I've got my efficiency factor set to 90% (Battery Bank 1 1/2 years old)

Is there a menu tree photo or PDF . I haven't  pushed enough buttons yet :-) or im always going a different way and just keep missing it. I have found 5 menus just under tweak's . I find after a week or so , I need to relearn again.
A menu tree im sure would help many.
VT


Thanks Resthome
Found it under hit stasis button to take you into the WBjr setup menu that is for battery amp sizing & the rest !!
Once I learn how to draw a stick man , then I'll try a tree.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 25, 2015, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: CDN-VT on February 25, 2015, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: Resthome on February 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
I've got my efficiency factor set to 90% (Battery Bank 1 1/2 years old)

Is there a menu tree photo or PDF . I haven't  pushed enough buttons yet :-) or im always going a different way and just keep missing it. I have found 5 menus just under tweak's . I find after a week or so , I need to relearn again.
A menu tree im sure would help many.
VT
The menu trees are out of date for new firmware.  Look in the manual for the WBjr for where to make these settings.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 25, 2015, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: boB on February 25, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
That's cool !   I got the file and plotted the voltage on the right side so that it had its own scale
which zooms in a bit better.

I think I see the lapse in time but I'm not quite sure ?  You didn't do anything to bring it back ?

Hmmmm...    Is this the newest firmware ?  The firmware that Andrew posted for testing ?

boB

That missing data was probably due to the famous disconnect that I didn't notice until too late.
This data was back in April 2014.  So it's not the new firmware Andrew posted. May try to update next month once we start going back to lake.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on February 26, 2015, 03:42:49 PM
Has anybody tried the new network update yet ?

Does it help or is it the same as before ?

boB
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: mike90045 on February 27, 2015, 04:31:49 PM

I'm waiting for a stable release, too far to walk to unscramble things.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 27, 2015, 05:29:33 PM
I am kind of surprised that I am the only one who seems to have tried this new update out . Had no problems following Ryan's directions - everything uploaded quickly with no glitches. Local Status app worked no problem after update and I did not have to change any other settings.

The only thing I had to do was change the ip address so I could get into the mymidnite beta site and that works fine too . Great new features that everyone has been waiting for.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on February 27, 2015, 07:12:36 PM
While I would normal be one to try this Alpha Firmware release it is the wrong time of the year for me to put this in place when I cannot spend a few days on the boat to monitor the results. Hopefully that should be changing next month.

I am curious to hear Ryan’s comment s on whether he has seen this update resolve the disconnect issues between the Classic and the Local App.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Halfcrazy on February 27, 2015, 07:38:30 PM
Well as of late I had not been having any issues. Thats why we pushed it tot he forum asap so some of the ones with Ongoing issues could give it a shot.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 03, 2015, 02:58:45 PM
Andrew -
The full scale on the mymidnite beta site is great ! Now we can see the battery voltage go up and down on the graph. 

Will await to see when the other bugs I reported get worked out and let you know if they show up okay .

Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Halfcrazy on March 03, 2015, 03:44:51 PM
Well look at it this way if its only the 2 of us helping design the new My Midnite it should be JUST what we want :)
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on March 03, 2015, 05:31:54 PM
3 of us -- just wait 'till you see the collection of card games I'm adding.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Halfcrazy on March 03, 2015, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: atop8918 on March 03, 2015, 05:31:54 PM
3 of us -- just wait 'till you see the collection of card games I'm adding.

Hm knowing you Card games is NOT what I suspected :)
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 07, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Well loaded the 1900 files into the Classic last night. For the record it is showing 1933 1/8/2015 MNGP - 1923  2/19/2015 Classic - 1824 Network. Is this what we should be seeing?

The bad news is with Local App 3.65 I still see disconnects from the Classic. Connects are WiFi with excellent signal strength and nothing but a laptop and Classic on the network. The disconnects are occurring when trying to export OFFLINE DATA with the local app.

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on March 07, 2015, 11:43:18 AM
Excellent, thanks for checking, RH. Are you seeing any lock-ups or just the disconnects? I've been going through the Local App code and have been wondering if it's not more responsible for disconnects than the Classic itself!
Thanks for trying it out, though. I'll try to replicate on my end.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 07, 2015, 01:03:12 PM
I just tried export of Offline Data from Local Status App and no crashing or disconnecting happening for me.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 07, 2015, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on March 07, 2015, 01:03:12 PM
I just tried export of Offline Data from Local Status App and no crashing or disconnecting happening for me.

It's not 100% reproducible. I had it 3 time this morning trying to Export. The next time it worked. So far in the short 5 hrs of observation no othe disconnect while leaving the LA connected.

Wonder if it has something to do with how much data is in the Classic. Mine goes back to June 2014.  236 entries to be exact. I'm trying to to get back to the magical 256 where I had a bug that started erasing lines of data after that in an older controller. Don't know if boB ever found a bad EPROM in it or not.

Crazy ... How many entries in your offline data?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 07, 2015, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: atop8918 on March 07, 2015, 11:43:18 AM
Excellent, thanks for checking, RH. Are you seeing any lock-ups or just the disconnects? I've been going through the Local App code and have been wondering if it's not more responsible for disconnects than the Classic itself!
Thanks for trying it out, though. I'll try to replicate on my end.

See my remark to Crazy...  About a year ago with older firmware I watched it with Wireshark and I believe it was the Classic that did not respond. That trace is here somewhere in the forums. Unfortunately, I do not have Wireshark on the laptop that I am using now.  I'll be on the boat until Monday so if there is anything you want me to try before then, let me  know.

Oh and no, no lockups, just the disconnect and then I auto reconnects with the disconnect message showing.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 07, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
Back to 3/8/14 I think - lots of dates don't show up. 380 lines . here is my file
I wonder if all the ##### dates are from turning the Classic on and off to do firmware updates ?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 07, 2015, 08:56:36 PM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on March 07, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
Back to 3/8/14 I think - lots of dates don't show up. 380 lines . here is my file
I wonder if all the ##### dates are from turning the Classic on and off to do firmware updates ?
Well that kills that idea.  Did see another disconnects today when in the Configure menues  and saving changes.  I think it was a total of 4 disconnect. Seem if you just leave it in the status screen it will stay connected. If you are writing or reading data is where it disconnects.

The ### are were the data is too big to fit in the column, just widen the column.


Strange you have about 33 enteries from 2003 and then more 2014 data. I would have thought those would have been over written by now. Have to look at on my phone.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 07, 2015, 09:06:46 PM
Some of those old dates could be from some firmware update when it goofed up the clock and I had to reset it .
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 09, 2015, 12:32:01 PM
Yesterday, I had left LA on Status page andk came back 3 times to find the disconnected message being displayed. It does reconnect but it seems to display the Retrying message for a longer time that in early versions. So for me the fixes did not help the disconnect. Was hopefully since it appears to be getting attention from Midnite. But that may have been directed at the MyMidnite web issues.  There appears to be no one thing that triggers the disconnects. But for me just leaving the LA connected. Going to try a hard wired connection to the router.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on March 09, 2015, 01:49:26 PM
I am connected to a Classic in another part of our building over wifi etc...   I always get this disconnected message after a while.
It has always re-connected though but I have to click OK and then VIEW again.  Not sure why
It stays up and running for maybe 1/2 hour to an hour or so ?  Have not timed it
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 09, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: boB on March 09, 2015, 01:49:26 PM
I am connected to a Classic in another part of our building over wifi etc...   I always get this disconnected message after a while.
It has always re-connected though but I have to click OK and then VIEW again.  Not sure why
It stays up and running for maybe 1/2 hour to an hour or so ?  Have not timed it

That's what I'm seeing boB. Sometimes it can occur quickly other times it can be a couple hours.  I'm trying a direct Ethernet cable from Classic to laptop to eliminate router and WiFi but I'm running laptop on batteries so I am limited to  about 5 hours of testing.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Westbranch on March 09, 2015, 06:16:17 PM
Quote from: Resthome on March 09, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
I'm running laptop on batteries so I am limited to  about 5 hours of testing.

Hmmmmm, I am wondering if it isn't also caused in part by the laptop going into power save mode while just loafing around on the desk??? or a screen saver?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 09, 2015, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: Westbranch on March 09, 2015, 06:16:17 PM
Quote from: Resthome on March 09, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
I'm running laptop on batteries so I am limited to  about 5 hours of testing.

Hmmmmm, I am wondering if it isn't also caused in part by the laptop going into power save mode while just loafing around on the desk??? or a screen saver?

Nope that was for the direct connect test only. All other tests (WiFi) are with power and all timeouts with power are set to none. And I finally got it on power.

While the direct test is not conclusive because of time , only 3 1/2 hours there have been no disconnects so far.   We have to confine when we return in a few week as it is suppose to rain Wednesday so heading home.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on March 10, 2015, 12:51:30 AM
RH, you don't have a laptop power supply ?
How do you charge the batteries ?

Is this because it is a boat ?  No shore power ?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 10, 2015, 03:50:51 AM
Quote from: boB on March 10, 2015, 12:51:30 AM
RH, you don't have a laptop power supply ?
How do you charge the batteries ?

Is this because it is a boat ?  No shore power ?

boB

Yep, no shore power.  But I have a 2000 Watt pure sine wave invertor on board. Just didn't have  an AC plug close to the Classic but I ran an extension cord so I could charge the laptop by the Classic.  Ran the laptop on Wifi for 4hrs with no disconnects but that was after Classic was resting. Heading home early in the morning. So more testing the direct connect to when we return in a few weeks.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 25, 2015, 04:56:21 PM
Okay, back at the lake for a few days. On the direct connect from lap top to Classic with no router or access point involved I ran the LA for almost 6 hours and there was only one way I could make the LA-Classic drop the connection. Had to be in the Data Offline screen of the Local App. It did not disconnect once the Export became highlighted it had to sit there for some period of time. The Classic was on the main Status screen. I tried this about five or 6 times.  Leaving it sit on Offline data would eventually cause the Local App to disconnect. Seems to be repeatable for me. However, in the other 6 hours of testing the direct connect I could not get it to disconnect.

And just prior to testing the direct connect I was using the WiFi connection and I was getting disconnects all the time every 5-10 minutes no matter what I was doing. Was also getting time out error messages when trying to get Offline data. It would just sit with no data in the offline window and then evenly get the time out message. Today after the auto reset at midnight it seems to be much better on WiFi

Of course the two tests are using different Network adapters on the Laptop. Intel® Dual Band Wireless AC 7260 for wireless and Intel® Ethernet Connection I217-LM for the Direct connect.   Don’t know why the Wireless is so prone to the disconnects. Good wireless signal as I am only 30 ft away from the wireless router.

Laptop on AC Power for all tests, and high performance power setting with all timeouts set to Never.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 25, 2015, 05:17:42 PM
Now for the next issue, I just discovered.

Don’t know if this is an issue with this alpha version of the firmware or just when it started. May have to revert back to last know good firmware to verify. Or maybe Larry can tell me if he has this issue with his Classic running the Alpha firmware.

The Graphs in the logging menu are blank. The curser is there and you can move the cursor across the screen and it will move like it following a line graph but there is no line being draw on the screen and the date showing up in the bottom of the screen is 00/00/2000 with a time of 00:00. The data it the text mode seems to be okay as I can step through it in the Daily or Hourly logs.

If no one else is seeing this I guess I will go back to the old firmware and see what happens.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 25, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: Resthome on March 25, 2015, 05:17:42 PM
Now for the next issue, I just discovered.

Don’t know if this is an issue with this alpha version of the firmware or just when it started. May have to revert back to last know good firmware to verify. Or maybe Larry can tell me if he has this issue with his Classic running the Alpha firmware.

The Graphs in the logging menu are blank. The curser is there and you can move the cursor across the screen and it will move like it following a line graph but there is no line being draw on the screen and the date showing up in the bottom of the screen is 00/00/2000 with a time of 00:00. The data it the text mode seems to be okay as I can step through it in the Daily or Hourly logs.

If no one else is seeing this I guess I will go back to the old firmware and see what happens.

Are you talking about the graphs on Local Status App - or on the MNGP , or on MyMidnite new test site ?
Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 25, 2015, 05:51:48 PM
Larry,  the Graphs on the Classic MNGP.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 25, 2015, 05:56:26 PM
I can't try mine now to see since I not at my solar site. - I never use the MNGP for graphs and use either Local Status App or mainly MyMidnite which does not update as often but gives a good overview of what it going on. Have you tried the new MyMidnite site ?
Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 25, 2015, 06:42:26 PM
Thanks Larry. Maybe Andrew will drop by. Otherwise I'll just fall back to old firmware tonight.

I would use MyMidnite but only Internet connection is my iPhone and that is very spotty at the lake since CA is in a drought the lake is down 130 ft between the hills and canyon not much service thanks to Verizon.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 26, 2015, 12:45:55 AM
Okay, I rolled the Classic firmware back to the latest production code Classic 1923 12/18/2014, MNGP 1933 1/8/2015, Net 1839 and the log graphic are now drawing the line on the MNGP and the times are correct on the graph display. So in conclusion something in the Alpha firmware Andrew provided screwed up the drawing of the line for the graphs on the MNGP. And since it didn't solve any of the Local App network disconnect issues for me I'm sticking with the production firmware for now.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 27, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
John
I just got back and tried the graph on the MNGP and it won't do anything. But I can't say I know what it is supposed to do since I never really used that screen before. I get the screen with just straight lines at the bottom going to Setup on bottom right but pressing the button below it does nothing.
loaded is
1933 1/8/2015 MNGP
1923 2/19/2015 Classic
and the network alpha network firmware  - but I am not going to go back because I like the new Mymidnite features
Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on March 27, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on March 27, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
John
I just got back and tried the graph on the MNGP and it won't do anything. But I can't say I know what it is supposed to do since I never really used that screen before. I get the screen with just straight lines at the bottom going to Setup on bottom right but pressing the button below it does nothing.
loaded is
1933 1/8/2015 MNGP
1923 2/19/2015 Classic
and the network alpha network firmware  - but I am not going to go back because I like the new Mymidnite features
Larry



That screen is the O-scope that basically moves when the input voltage moves.  That has a couple of adjustments but not by pressing setup.

For quick instructions, press the status key until you are going to go to that screen and hold it.  While holding the status key, the basic info should show up...   This is true for several of the status screens upon entry.  This is kind  of hard to know about until you try it.  I am not sure if this is in the manual or not.

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 27, 2015, 11:46:42 PM
Yep Bob - worked -  holding status key in and it gives me more info on the next screen - thanks.
I haven't sat down an read the manual from one end to the other so maybe it is in there - maybe not !
Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 28, 2015, 01:37:06 AM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on March 27, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
John
I just got back and tried the graph on the MNGP and it won't do anything. But I can't say I know what it is supposed to do since I never really used that screen before. I get the screen with just straight lines at the bottom going to Setup on bottom right but pressing the button below it does nothing.
loaded is
1933 1/8/2015 MNGP
1923 2/19/2015 Classic
and the network alpha network firmware  - but I am not going to go back because I like the new Mymidnite features
Larry


Thanks Larry, here is the screens I was looking at.

If you go to the Logs menu and select Daily, you can then use the up/down arrows to select what to view on the left side. You can move to the right side to select a day. Day 1 is yesterday data.

Now press the soft key under the word Graph. Use the up/down arrows to select a parameter like FET T. Then use the left and right keys to move left and right on the graph and you will see the date change and the cursor will blink on the spot on the line graph the represents the data shown on left.

Selecting Hourly is the same but now the graph represent time. On the Alpha firmware there is no line drawn it just shows the cursor and the date was displaying 0/0/2000.  When I went back to the current production firmware the dates are correct and the line graph is drawn on the screen.

It would be nice to hear from Andrew on this.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on March 28, 2015, 01:39:43 AM
Wonder if the new MYMidnite site works with the current production code? I don't have an Internet connection to try it.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 28, 2015, 02:06:45 AM
Okay - I went to the log menu and followed your instructions but nothing shows up in graph - guess you had the same results.
Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on March 28, 2015, 03:37:55 AM
Hi, guys,
Sorry to be silent for so long.
John-- I'm sorry the new code wasn't working for you. The disconnects are probably due to the Local App being a bit to conservative when it comes to the Classic not responding -- there is no grace period there, it just shuts down the connection. Most client applications give a little bit of slack to the connected devices.
To answer your question, the older network code will work with the new MyMidNite (in fact I'd be grateful if someone tried it out); however, the WBJr readings are only available using the Alpha release of software.
I'm pushing to get all the bugs closed on the new MyMidNite so I can push it out to others and to fix any outstanding issues with the firmware (i.e. the logging problem) before moving it all up to Beta and possibly a release candidate.

Thanks for all the help guys.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: noservices on April 12, 2015, 01:19:16 PM
I have a Classic 150 lite that I installed a couple months ago and was having trouble with ethernet locking up every night so I loaded this firmware turned out not to be the problem the problem was with the Linksys E1000 not renewing the DHCP lease properly the problem went away after setting a static IP on the Classic.  The only issue I noticed is that after loading this firmware within a couple minutes of running all the LED's went to a slow flash. Anybody else out there with a lite load this and see the same thing? If I was to roll back the firmware to see if the LED issue is related what is the latest stable release is it REV 1933?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Vic on April 12, 2015, 01:45:07 PM
Hi noservices,

YES,  1933 appears to be the latest Production Firmware ... from the MidNite Solar site,   "REV 1933 Production for Windows",  is the only FW listed for Windoze.

FWIW,   have no Lite CC here,  and am running the previous Production FW for now.
Vic
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: ClassicCrazy on April 12, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
Quote from: noservices on April 12, 2015, 01:19:16 PM
I have a Classic 150 lite that I installed a couple months ago and was having trouble with ethernet locking up every night so I loaded this firmware turned out not to be the problem the problem was with the Linksys E1000 not renewing the DHCP lease properly the problem went away after setting a static IP on the Classic.  The only issue I noticed is that after loading this firmware within a couple minutes of running all the LED's went to a slow flash. Anybody else out there with a lite load this and see the same thing? If I was to roll back the firmware to see if the LED issue is related what is the latest stable release is it REV 1933?
What is the LED mode set for ?
Maybe try changing the LED mode to a different one and if that works , go back to the one you want.
Did you try restarting the Classic to see if that fixes the issue ?
Larry
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: noservices on April 12, 2015, 04:48:19 PM
Ok looks like I figured out the LED issue & I don't think it had anything to do with the firmware. I had set all the dip switches to custom about the same time I upgraded the firmware so I put them back to solar mode & 48V & just left the charge setpoints set on custom seems like that was it. I went ahead and downloaded the Rev 1933 firmware and rolled it back to that using the GUI update but it says that I'm at Rev 1923 Network Rev 1839 which I think is what it was with this update. Does the GUI also do the network update or do I have to do that part manually?
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on April 13, 2015, 01:56:05 AM
Quote from: noservices on April 12, 2015, 04:48:19 PM
I went ahead and downloaded the Rev 1933 firmware and rolled it back to that using the GUI update but it says that I'm at Rev 1923 Network Rev 1839 which I think is what it was with this update. Does the GUI also do the network update or do I have to do that part manually?

You are back to the Production firmware. Check the date of the 1923 Classic firmware id S/B  12/18/14  the Alpha firmware was 1/8/15 and the alpha NET was showing 1824.  The Production Net will show 1839 it is updated with the Classic firmware.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: 2twisty on April 17, 2015, 12:54:23 AM
Is anyone getting mid-day reboots?  Since updating to this ALPHA (yes I know it's alpha...) I have had several days (not every day) that there have been middle-of-the-day reboots.  This never (well, almost never) happened with any of the other FWs I've used.

If it's just me, I'll look into what's causing it.  If it's a FW issue...I guess I will just live with it until it's fixed.

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: atop8918 on April 17, 2015, 03:55:03 AM
I haven't seen this myself, but we've already seen that this build breaks the MNGP logging. Please let me know if you find out that this is a configuration issue or if anyone else has noticed the mid-day reboot.
We're in the process of getting the disparate code bases all merged up so we'll hopefully have a Beta version of the firmware to test soon.

Thanks,
-Andrew
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: 2twisty on April 17, 2015, 09:07:02 PM
Since it's sporadic, I only notice it when I happen to be here.  I exported my settings and imported them after uploading this FW, so it's safe to say that I've not changed any settings.

I did notice that the time sync was off and at least one of the reboots I've seen was because the clock was wrong and it thought it was midnight.  However, I seem to remember that I got 2 reboots in the same day at least once.  Once in the middle of the day and one after dark, 10-ish.  Next time I got a reboot around 10PM I checked and discovered the time sync issue.

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on April 18, 2015, 03:55:43 AM
As far as I know, rebooting can be made to happen if either more than one MNGP is reading logging from a classic at the same time OR
the Local App is reading off-line data logging information from the Classic at the same time its MNGP is reading that logging data.

Other than this, I am not aware of the MNGP having its data logging broken.

boB
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Resthome on April 18, 2015, 04:52:52 AM
Quote from: boB on April 18, 2015, 03:55:43 AM

Other than this, I am not aware of the MNGP having its data logging broken.

boB

boB

The broken logging is with Andrew's Alpha version of the firmware. In any of the Hourly or Daily Log functions the Graphs do not plot. The cursor moves but no line is drawn for the graphs. Also the dates are screwed up. When I went back to the production firmware all the graphs and dates worked. The broken logging was not associated with reboots as far as I know.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: offgridQLD on April 22, 2015, 08:30:16 PM
I should check in more often as I only just stumbled across this update to My Midnite news. From what I can see in the screen shots and feature list. The improvements look great. :)

I will make an effort get the new firmware on both my classics this weekend and join the test pilot team :o

Other than doing my best to find bugs. I can report back with some juicy graphs showing (A day in the life of a charge controller on Lithium battery's) ;)

Kurt

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Westbranch on April 22, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Kurt, fyi I tried your 'Tube channel' and got a 'this channel does not exist'  ???
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: offgridQLD on April 22, 2015, 08:43:12 PM
QuoteKurt, fyi I tried your 'Tube channel' and got a 'this channel does not exist'  ???

Thanks,
             Just fixed the link it should work now.

Kurt
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: Westbranch on April 22, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
thanks... Lots of new stuff there.  Will have to browse a bit

Was it you that started a diesel tractor with 3 really small Li cells
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: offgridQLD on April 23, 2015, 03:17:43 AM
(Yes I did start the diesel tractor with the 1.3ah lithium battery) ;)...bit off topic


I just registered my two classics with the new My midnite test server. (I wont have the new alpha software installed on the classics until the weekend)

Though I can confirm my two classics are uploading to the new test server (so I can confirm you can upload to it with the latest production firmware). Date is correct but the time is incorrect even after setting the time zone (yes time is spot on on both classics) It also shows both my classics as (resting) though they are not and contradicts what its showing in the graphs.

Could be meaningless feedback though as I am still using the production software in the classics. I should reserve judgement until I get the alpha software installed in a few days.


Kurt

Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: zoneblue on June 04, 2015, 05:16:35 PM
Are we going to see a beta version of the firmware with the network fixes? Here im too dependent on our system to test any alpha grade software. But still keen to try it if it was beta.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: boB on June 12, 2015, 02:27:38 AM
Quote from: zoneblue on June 04, 2015, 05:16:35 PM
Are we going to see a beta version of the firmware with the network fixes? Here im too dependent on our system to test any alpha grade software. But still keen to try it if it was beta.

Oh yes !   There is something coming up very soon !  Looks like this is THE  s#@t !

(and I mean that in a good way !)
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: keppelk on August 06, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
Any updates on the availability of the new firmware (beta or otherwise)? Last update to this thread was almost 2 months ago. Happy to be involved in testing.

Very keen to get my hands on firmware with improved current calibration. Randomly I get 'phantom charging'. 2 Classics say 0.0A but my Fluke meter showing a charging current.
Title: Re: New firmware for the Ethernet lockup issues 2/19/2015
Post by: dgd on August 16, 2015, 05:46:37 PM
Quote from: boB on April 18, 2015, 03:55:43 AM
As far as I know, rebooting can be made to happen if either more than one MNGP is reading logging from a classic at the same time OR
the Local App is reading off-line data logging information from the Classic at the same time its MNGP is reading that logging data.


..and also if trying to download logging to another computer via serial port/modbus
Now means external web server can't use classic's internal logs
Any progress on repairing this?  Does it just need a reading lock installed?

Ddg