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Title: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Halfcrazy on September 06, 2011, 07:33:06 PM
Lets post all our battery charging specs in this sticky

Ryan
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: LGeist on December 08, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
This has some good info in it, thanks for sharing! The charger settings chart is pretty handy. I was reading through the SunXtender battery (sealed batteries by Concorder) manual today, this also has a lot of great info in it, link below.

http://www.sunxtender.com/pdfs/Sun_Xtender_Battery_Technical_Manual.pdf (http://www.sunxtender.com/pdfs/Sun_Xtender_Battery_Technical_Manual.pdf)


Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: niel on December 08, 2011, 11:18:10 PM
what i just noticed not too long ago on the concorde tech manual is that on page 23 is shows a design factor based on temperature and i saw that at 77 degrees f you still need to derate by 1.25. i thought all battery ratings were based at 77 degrees f, but not these. this leads me to believe the batteries are overrated by 25% for their ah specs. bums me out because i've always liked these batteries. :'(
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Vic on December 19, 2011, 09:20:13 PM
If  anyone needs it,  Surrette data here:

https://www.rollsbattery.com/catalog/

Double click the Model number for the pdf Data Sheet.  FWIW,  Vic
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Vic on September 21, 2012, 03:19:34 PM
Recently,  Surrette Battery has created a "Solutions"  page that gives quick access to charger settings,  SOC vs Vbat tables,  etc.  Quick and helpful,  instead of wading throught Bulletin #s  etc:

http://support.rollsbattery.com/solution/categories

Also notice that they have been paring back on their Vfloat charger settings,  if anyone is interested.  Vic
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: reddog on September 26, 2012, 01:54:11 AM
Hard to find, but I got Info on...DEKA GC15 batteries from MFG...recommended charge info (bulk/absorb/equalize) for GC15 6volt 230AH wet cells that lots of us use.

1. BULK STAGE = 30% of C20  (or 30% of 230Ah)
69 amps (max.current) per series string.
Multiple the 69 amps x the parallel strings, if applicable.

2. ABSORPTION STAGE = 2.40 - 2.45 vpc (x 3 cells) = 7.32 v  x the # of batteries in your string

3. FLOAT STAGE = 2.30 - 2.35 vpc (x 3 cells) = 6.96 v x ....................................

4. EQUALIZE STAGE = 2.50 x 2.55 vpc (x 3 cells) = 7.59 v  x ...............................

NOTE:  ***TEMPERATURE COEFFICIENT IS -3mV / Cell
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Halfcrazy on October 10, 2012, 01:03:47 PM
M&K or Deka http://www.mkbattery.com/documents/3379Form%201913.pdf

Trojan GEL group 27 http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/PDF/datasheets/27GEL_TrojanRE_Data_Sheets.pdf
Trojan AGM group 27 http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/PDF/datasheets/27AGM_TrojanRE_Data_Sheets.pdf
Trojan Flooded L16RE http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/PDF/datasheets/L16REA_TrojanRE_Data_Sheets.pdf
Trojan Flooded T105 http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/PDF/datasheets/T105RE_TrojanRE_Data_Sheets.pdf


Concorde Sun Xtender http://www.sunxtender.com/xtender_main.php  (Bottom of the page)

Ryan
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Vern Faulkner on October 24, 2012, 06:08:59 PM
Specs for my Trojan L16E-ACs: http://www.batterymaster.com/pdf/tr/aerial/Trojan%20L16EAC.pdf
Title: Re: C&D ... Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets ...>> C&DTechno
Post by: Westbranch on November 24, 2012, 12:09:37 AM
Note quite specs but a good in depth discussion on what one can use to customize a charge regime for  C&D AGM batteries

http://www.cdtechno.com/pdf/ref/41_2128_1199.pdf
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: dgd on February 06, 2013, 07:29:17 PM
Here is a link to charging info and discharge graphs for Champion Lithium Iron Phosphate Yttrium batteries. I am told these are available in Australia and New Zealand and most anywhere Champion brand batteries are available.

http://www.aasolar.co.nz/AA%20Solar%20Lithium%20Deep%20Cycle%20Batteries.html (http://www.aasolar.co.nz/AA%20Solar%20Lithium%20Deep%20Cycle%20Batteries.html)

dgd
Title: Solar One Battery Info
Post by: Resthome on March 14, 2013, 07:45:29 PM
Solar One Batteries - http://proto.hupsolarone.com/ (http://proto.hupsolarone.com/)
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: jp_le_gros on March 14, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
nobody there with US battery??
http://www.usbattery.com/usb_index.html
JP
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Halfcrazy on April 25, 2014, 10:46:17 AM
North Star AGM 110AH 12v

http://www.battery-usa.com/Catalog/NSB110FT.pdf (http://www.battery-usa.com/Catalog/NSB110FT.pdf)
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: tecnodave on June 05, 2014, 03:17:16 PM
Found on www.rollsbattery.com/solutions

Rolls battery manual.pdf

Lots of good info in there , covers  UU and IUI charge profiles and lots more

td
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: ChrisOlson on June 09, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
US Battery - all models of deep cycle flooded lead-acid and AGM:
http://www.usbattery.com/usb_images/charging_instruction_2011_3.pdf
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: tecnodave on June 14, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
Notes on Interstate battery,


I am going to edit some of this post due to some conflicting information about batteries
<edit section removed>

They do not make their own RE or GC-2 batteries, their website implies U.S. Battery but Interstate and U.S. Battery have had a falling out. Some are supplied by U.S.Battery and others are Crown battery.

<edit section removed>

There is confusion about this issue but I am absolutely sure about some of the batteries not being from U.S.Battery

I do have Interstate RE batteries even though others will say repeatedly that interstate does not make them, they probably do not make them but I can buy them from Interstate and they are delivered to my shop in a green Interstate Truck with what appears to me to be genuine Interstate labels.

td
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: ChrisOlson on June 14, 2014, 04:35:33 PM
Quote from: tecnodave on June 14, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
Way to tell,      Crown Batteries use separate caps on all the lines,  U.S. Battery has started using "Ganged caps" ,

That is incorrect.  We have Interstate 1850HCS's in our yacht - 24V system, two strings.  These are 220ah 12V tall-case batteries.  This is a couple photos of them and note the cap type and how they are branded on the case lid:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/1-Dbz14unk3oqnodm_fAG7Ye7dvkNZ8G-N_9QYScK_o=w640-h480-no)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yMx7uR-lsiA/U5yo5fZicWI/AAAAAAAAIMI/4CGZqM1Hzcc/w640-h480-no/100_4302.JPG)

Even though they have Crown-style caps, they are made by US Battery - you can compare the specs:
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/Products/RT/PID-1850HCS%28Commercial%29.aspx?dsNavigation=Ns~product+Type|101|1|%2cNrc~id-3%2cN~4294784989-4277487724&Title=Product+Type+for+various+1850HCS+models

http://www.usbattery.com/usb_us185hcxc.html

Also note that US Battery solders their flag posts on at a 45° angle, while the comparable Crown battery (CR-210) has the flag posts soldered on longitudinal with the battery case's long side.

Johnson Controls builds all of Interstate's automotive batteries.  US Battery still builds all their industrial batteries.  The only batteries I have seen made by Crown for Interstate are the sealed AGM marine batteries (SC-series).
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: tecnodave on June 14, 2014, 06:14:40 PM
Chris,

I have an inside source at Interstate that has provided that information. I have interstate industrial
L-16's that my supplier ((Interstate themselves) told with authority were made by Crown. I have seen the Interstate RE line and they are not the same case or terminal configuration at all. There was a riff at Interstate with a former manager that led to this breakup. My older Interstate's are U.S.Battery. My two newer sets are Crown. Johnson controls owns 40 % of Interstate and does supply all the automotive batteries. This separation has recently taken place and the manager that triggered it is no longer with Interstate.

It is probably a moot point but the charge profiles are different on the two types
There is a document on Interstate's website that documents part of this.

It is Battery Charging Interstate .docx, it covers the U.S. Battery charge profile. Interstate's manager of operations told me to use Crown's profile for my "floor sweeper L-16 batteries"

My flag posts are 90 degrees to the side long side of case not 45 degrees as yours are.

I'm not saying that all industrial batts are Crown, some are and some are U.S.Battery

And U.S.Battery is using the same style caps and the newer ganged caps as well. My new Interstate GC-2 (U.S.Battery) have ganged caps.

td
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: ChrisOlson on June 14, 2014, 06:57:37 PM
I'm afraid your inside source at Interstate gave you bad information.  My company became an Interstate battery dealer a little over a year ago, and I handle only their industrial batteries here.  I selected them because I can get them delivered to my shop by truck at no charge every two weeks, and no other battery distributor does that.

Interstate does not market any batteries under a renewable energy marketing label.  They only sell their industrial batteries, which are suitable for RE applications.

Crown L-16's don't even have flag posts.  They have either straight stud/mono-block combo, or offset stud posts.  Crown only offers the flag post option on their 12V floor maintenance battery line.

If your L-16's are these:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zdv7QPPGaM0/U5zQ1TlXrXI/AAAAAAAAIMY/xeCGjTr5ZQw/w640-h480-no/100_4303.JPG)

they are made by US Battery and you'd better get Absorb V cranked back up to 2.58VPC pronto.  Or one day you'll find the SG's at 1.225 and they only got half capacity left and it'll take a week of equalizing to bring them back.

Edit to provide additional info:
The Interstate L-16 industrial batteries come in two types - the US Battery 380ah L-16 and the 420ah high capacity version.  The 420ah version has OSP (Outside Positive Plates) plates in it.  There are two post options in the L-16HC models - the HCL (L-type flat post) and HCS (L-type round stud post shown in the photo above).
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: tecnodave on June 14, 2014, 10:18:55 PM
Chris,

My source is Interstate battery warehouse in Salinas,CA. I order batteries and have them next AM.  Here in CA Interstate has deliveries every day but mostly auto shops, but we do have heavy industry here.
My batteries are L-16L @380 a.h. They have labels just like yours, the newer set has the green labels and the 2 year olds have the silver and black labels with the "Workaholic" trade name as well. The batteries in my boat are similar but are D-8's 225a.h. With the workaholic name as well. Salinas has 16 on the shelf at all times so I never have lack of stock. I have had a long term relationship with the Salinas warehouse so I don't know why they would tell me something that is not true. It is not exactly public information.

td
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: ChrisOlson on June 14, 2014, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: tecnodave on June 14, 2014, 10:18:55 PM
My batteries are L-16L @380 a.h.

Well, this is where your L-16L 380ah batteries came from:
http://www.usbattery.com/usb_usl16xc.html

The Interstate L-16L is 16.75" tall x 11.88 long x 7.13 wide

The Crown L-16's do not come in 380ah version.  They are either 350 or 390/395ah.  The Crown battery is 16.13" tall x 12.38" long by 7.19" wide and they do not have L-posts.  Does not make any difference whether or not the Crown battery is the "RE" version or the industrial CR-350 or CR-390 - the case size is the same, the post type is the same (straight stud plus post).  The Crown "RE" battery's only difference is that the case is green to fool you into thinking it's for "green" power.

Like I said, the guys at the warehouse in Salinas don't know what they're talking about.  And if I was you I'd get the Absorb V cranked up on those L-16's or you're going to sulfate them and ruin them.  If you're absorbing at the voltage used by Crown (2.42VPC) with their high antimony plates I sure hope you're keeping real close tabs on the SG in your L-16's.  It should be 1.265-1.275 after absorb is done and no more than 30 points difference between the high and low cells.  If you find some cells at 1.250-1.255, a few charges at normal voltage should fix them.  If you find any cells below 1.250 after absorb you got serious problems with sulfation.
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: tecnodave on June 15, 2014, 12:23:16 AM
Chris,

The plot thickens,

My l-16L batteries are 12 3/8 " wide , 16 3/4 " tall to top of flag, 7 and about 1/8" wide too close to call 7.13 or 7.19
Some manufacturers measure to top of case, some to top of handle or terminal.

These are not the ones pictured at U.S. Battery  web page you pointed me to, it could be a variant as it looks very similar. The caps on mine are individual but the ones you point out are gang caps, also my L-16's have cast in lifting handles where U.S. Batteries do not nave lifting handles. I am sure if you want enough of an item built just the way you want , someone will build it for you.

In any case my only test as to battery charge is a WW II navy precision hydrometer with temperature correction float. My S.G.'s are all at 1.275 with no variation so I must be doing something right.  I also have a WBjr. and a  Tri-metric.

td
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: ChrisOlson on June 15, 2014, 12:52:34 AM
They don't make L-16's with cast-in lifting handles - somebody probably just cut the ropes off the rope handles, leaving the lugs where the rope passes thru.

All of the batteries that Interstate gets from US Battery use the white caps that twist like a 1/4 turn and lock.  Interstate does not use the gang cap supplied by US Battery.  There is a 5-digit code branded into the top of the battery case, besides there being a L16L branded near one corner of the top of the case.  Take a photo of it, or give me that 5-digit code and I can tell you exactly where your battery came from, including the month and year it left the factory.
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: tecnodave on June 18, 2014, 01:54:09 AM
From the manufacturers application guide,

Battery Application Guide  (Interstate Battery Systems). p/n 272492,  last page of distributors price sheet:

Under Heading.  "Floor Sweeper Batteries 6 volt"

L-16    380a.h.  With type L os S  terminals.     (NOTE L-16. NOT L-16 L)
L-16HC   420 a.h.   With type L or S terminal.     


NEXT SECTION DOWN :

"Solar Panels/Renewable Energy"

L-16L-RE.     401 a.h.  With type L terminal only
L-16L-RE2V.   1100 a.h.   With type L terminal only


(type L is flag terminal. type S is auto type stud with flats and hole for bolt and nut)

This is from Interstate's publication and dealers price sheet.

I have one set L-16 floor sweeper batts @380 a.h. Each. 4 batts this set

And

One set L-16L-RE solar panel/Renewable energy  @ 401a.h.  Each. 4 batts this set

They are different batteries totally.

I will not speak as to what batteries that interstate will supply on the east coast or Midwest but this is what I can get here on the left coast.

If you are working out of the Industrial catalog only you may not find some of the batteries I can get as a full line.

Please note I have owned my own electric shops for over 25 years and do traction vehicles as a part of my business, not E.V. such as Prius , etc but industrial traction vehicles, yard tuggers, caterpillar electric forklift, golf cart and others. I have had a very close relationship with Interstate and Trojan over the years. I have used Deka and Rolls as well but shipping is a killer for batteries made in Pennsylvania, they are not competive here.


td
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: ChrisOlson on June 18, 2014, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: tecnodave on June 18, 2014, 01:54:09 AM
One set L-16L-RE solar panel/Renewable energy  @ 401a.h.  Each. 4 batts this set

They are different batteries totally.

tecnodave, this is what I have been saying - those are US Battery manufacturer - check the 5 digit brand code on the case top.  This is your "RE" battery:
http://www.usbattery.com/usb_solar_p1.html

The "RE" batteries are not marketed by Interstate - they are not stocked in warehouses and have to be special ordered from US Battery's Corona, Evans or Augusta plants, depending on your distributorship location.  They are identical to the L-16HC XC (L-16HC Interstate) except they have low specific gravity electrolyte, which reduces their capacity and reduces sulfation problems on PSOC cycling applications.  The Retail price on them is $500.95 from Interstate vs $349.95 for the L-16HC.  Internally they are identical - I've had the tops off the jar case and talked to the engineer at US Battery's Augusta plant on some problems I had with the soldered interconnects on the jars.

They are not made by Crown and proper Absorb V with two-stage bulk/absorb charging equipment is shown in the post I made on US Battery's charging recs.  If you absorb an Interstate L-16 battery, no matter what model it is, at 2.41VPC you will sulfate the positive plates because they have one extra positive plate compared to the competitor's (Trojan et al) batteries.

**Interstate's recs are here and they follow US Battery's recs on the 2.58VPC Absorb V:
http://www.batteries-faq.com/activekb/questions.php?questionid=1

Interstate distributes batteries for 11 different companies.  And if you check your manufacturer brand codes the only ones currently manufactured by Crown for Interstate are the marine AGM's.  Those brand codes are not made available to the public but they are in your dealer price guide.

**A note should be made on Interstate's charging recs for their industrial deep cycles - they provide a Bulk V setting for your charger.  This is only used on charging equipment that can do three-stage (bulk/absorb/finish) charging with a constant-current finish (anti-sulfation) stage.  The vast majority of RE chargers are two-stage, bulk/absorb.  US Battery does not recognize the Float stage as being part of the charging cycle, but merely to be a maintenance stage.  Interstate's table was derived from US Battery's recs, but doesn't fully explain the purpose of the Bulk V setting.  That is why it is better to simply use US Battery's recs for your charger type, as US Battery's recs are much more detailed.
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: BobWhite on November 02, 2014, 07:33:40 PM
http://www.lifelinebatteries.com/manual.pdf


http://www.lifelinebatteries.com/marineflyer.php?id=3
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: CharliVN on January 21, 2016, 11:32:35 AM
My system ran with (4) of these:

http://www.vmaxtanks.com/SLR175-AGM-Solar-Battery-_p_61.html

https://www.vmaxtanks.com/assets/images/technical%20info%20folder/charge_discharge_charts.pdf

http://www.vmaxtanks.com/assets/images/technical%20info%20folder/Cycles%20VS%20Depth%20of%20Discharge.pdf

https://www.vmaxtanks.com/assets/images/technical%20info%20folder/state_of_charge_chart.pdf

https://www.vmaxtanks.com/assets/images/technical%20info%20folder/float_charge_chart.pdf
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Tobytaylor on January 21, 2017, 08:33:15 PM
Hi Guys,
Does anyone have any charge voltage spec's for Vision FM 200H  -  200ah batteries.
Apparently its an AGM type 2, but I am struggling to find good info on specific charge numbers.

Thanks,

Richard.
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Resthome on January 21, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
Quote from: Tobytaylor on January 21, 2017, 08:33:15 PM
Hi Guys,
Does anyone have any charge voltage spec's for Vision FM 200H  -  200ah batteries.
Apparently its an AGM type 2, but I am struggling to find good info on specific charge numbers.

Thanks,

Richard.

Charge Methods: Constant Voltage Charge 77oF(25oC) 
Cycle use 14.4-14.7V         Maximum charging current 60A         Temperature compensation -30mV/oC
Standby use 13.6-13.8V         Temperature compensation -20mV/oC

Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Tobytaylor on January 21, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
So with a classic 150 running 24 volts, I would set my absorb charge to 28.8 to 29.4 and float to 27.2 to 27.6
is that correct ?

Richard.

Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Resthome on January 21, 2017, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: Tobytaylor on January 21, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
So with a classic 150 running 24 volts, I would set my absorb charge to 28.8 to 29.4 and float to 27.2 to 27.6
is that correct ?

Richard.

Sound correct to me.
Title: Re: Battery manufacturer's Data Sheets
Post by: Tobytaylor on January 22, 2017, 03:37:57 PM
John,

Thank you sir,

Richard.