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Title: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on March 31, 2017, 11:52:54 PM
because of comments made below I have added some wording in RED for more clarity...


I loaded FW 2126 using USB cable on Wednesday afternoon. What a breeze, smooth as clock work... ;) PS I had used this laptop for a previous update so Port 8 eas working as it should...

This after having to shut down my Anti-virus (AVG), even though I was off line,  due to AVG trying to quarantine the MN FW Loader.EXE...  (*%#@$&()*%$) and for the next 2 days I at startup and after, there was a persistently appearing Message from AVG that  XYZ. EXE in the Classic Folder was a Virus

Manually Reset all settings via MNGP as previously entered, then went upstairs to the local App to double check....  every thing was as it should be, other than Battery size that was at the default of 400Ah... No problem, change and save and recheck. A  OK!

Next I got one of those annoying messages that my connection was not safe...

Reason why? I do not advertise my WIFI modem's name so that kills about 95% of hackers, even if they want to travel 200+ miles into the Chilcotin for a net connection...  well the neighbours grandson might piggyback on my band width... when he is there...

Then I got 3 more of those messages in a row >:(...  Oh ALL RIGHT! I'll fix it!....  so I added a P/W  and selected a level of encryption... but it was now going to advertise my NAME... ???

NOW The Troubles Start..

First off was that my W7 laptop would NOT connect to the modem, { The TAb and W8 Surface did connected, didn't try the XP box} ..  finally went back to the way it was and all 3 CPU's ( Tab, W7, W8.1RT ) would connect to the NET...

Then the world went dark ...  My Samsung Tab4, running Grahams Android App,  showed the same NAME for the Classic  on the screen, but no data, Same on the W7,... OMG ...,  now what?  The Local App error message was ''Unable to Connect''.

I took the W7 down to the Classic again and plugged in the CAT 5 wire, opened L App, tried to connect to Classic's IP, 'Unable to Connect'
HMMM... W7 problem??? 
So today (next morning) I took the old XP laptop and plugged it in to the Classic ...  opened the Local App, 'Unable to Connect'  ....   ARGH!!..... This box was used earlier last year, or longer ago, to do FW upgrades and just sits there ''in case''...

I have no ideas as to what happened... 

Could it be a hiccup in the FW ?

I did notice yesterday that the Inverter did not like the upper charge limit of 29.2V and gave a Hi Voltage , RED light on its control panel...  It has been yellow but not Red... Inverter was/is still running, all the time.. except for the 2 power off/on's in the FW upgrade process. 

I lowered the Max V to 29.0V  from 29.2V just before leaving, I am thinking that a double check of the BattV and ClassicV is in order...

Should I do  a reload of FW2126?  :-\  Not much else I can do...

Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 01, 2017, 12:25:50 AM
Just as a heads up. I posted about the anti- virus flagging the loader file. Look for it else where. It was shot down by boB as he pointed out MS Defender did not flag it. I post back that it did. I agree that it is most likely a false positive. I had to exclude it from being scanned and retrieve it from quarantine. Believe it also flagged the MN web site as being not trusted because of that file.

http://midniteftp.com/forum/index.php?topic=3648.msg35230#msg35230 (http://midniteftp.com/forum/index.php?topic=3648.msg35230#msg35230)

A week ago. I used the Win 10 program loader on my Win 10 laptop to load FW 2126. First time using the loader on Win 10 to load the MNGP.  Last update had no changes to the MNGP so didn't update it. Both updates went without a hitch.

Don't think you have a problem with the firmware. But would not be surprised if youranti-virus is flagging things or the Local network/firewall is acting up. I would remove the exe file from the firmware directory you used and delete it from your machine. Reset you router and reboot it. Check the Classic IP on the MNGP and make sure the LA is using same IP.  As a last resort reboot Classic.  If you have ARST on it may correct it self tonight.

Heading to lake early in morning. Most likely no internet for the next week.
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: ClassicCrazy on April 01, 2017, 12:46:07 AM
Westbranch 
I don't get it - you plugged our wndows7 computer into the Classic to program it ? Or to use the Local Status app ?
The Classic programming cable plugged into the computer needs to show up as a port - I think it shows up as port 8 or it won't work. So  use Device Manger and see what port the Classic is assigned to .
Otherwise don't you need to plug the Classic into a router via network cable and then use program like Local Status app to connect to it ? And then you can use Classic menu to set it to either DHCP or a static IP .
I always backup all the Classic settings using the Local Status app and then can easily restore them after firmware update wiping by uploading from Local Status app exactly what was in there before.
Maybe I don't follow what you are saying got messed up .

Larry
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: CDN-VT on April 01, 2017, 01:38:41 AM
I have a stand alone hard drive ( I run a Panasonic CF52) Shuttle HD's that let me surf here , open internet AV on  , 3rd  HD is priority locked to sat link to Major manufacture on it proprietary system & NO AV software , my Porn HD has  AV with Male-ware and all comdoms needed , My solar drive is W7 and it has all firmware's from Midnight , Outback & the rest .
I get all Videos & anything to get , NO AV or malware , just to do all solar updates & stores all the settings files & ready to reload .

If your serious about this in the real world of forgetting . 
VT
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 01, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on April 01, 2017, 12:46:07 AM

Otherwise don't you need to plug the Classic into a router via network cable and then use program like Local Status app to connect to it ? And then you can use Classic menu to set it to either DHCP or a static IP .


Actually most newer laptops you can plug the Ethernet cable from the Classic directly into the laptop and run the LA. The IPs have to be setup but it does work.
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 01, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
Thanks guys.

John your last post made me think about the XP's IP address, will have to check but I have used it to connect while standing beside the Classic so expected it to chug along but  ??

Also your first post re firewall etc..  I think I should remove all AV, Firewall programming etc and move the Classic FW etc via 'USB stick'  once downloaded on the W7 box. have to leave it as a ZIP file first.

Larry I added some more words to my first post to clarify. Yes, Port 8.

The new installer works  perfectly, or so it seems... a bit slower than before it seemed,  but  no need to wait after 'completion' to let it clear its brain or ??

I was moving the W7 around from up by the router to down by the Classic...  sorry for any confusion, posted after a 3 hr drive home and getting the wife's chest infection, I think...  :(

VT - where did you find out about  those armoured (?) latops?  sounds like  a good way to go
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: CDN-VT on April 01, 2017, 09:08:48 PM
We use them for our proprietary work . I have an old CF29 that's dirty but still works , No bullet holes , It's yours if you would like it . We were to update them to CF53 , but since the drives don't swap in that model , I passed . Water resistant, road rash somewhat ,bulletproof  (not proof of any ) . I have killed two units , one sank & one left the cars roof @ hwy speeds .

VT
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 02, 2017, 12:36:39 PM
one left the cars roof @ hwy speeds .


Like the Toshiba TV advert where it 'survives' falling from the car roof at the hotel or ?... ;)
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: CDN-VT on April 02, 2017, 10:14:19 PM
Nope
I was just dumb & forgot that I had used it & sent info etc, It got busy & I forgot it was up there , NOW I only use it on the hood of the car / work unit & switched to a Station Wagon .No worries , I know it blew apart  as in lots of bits in the mirror & cars trying to dodge .Password on Boot up & also into what system to load .

Dumb & cost me down time plus a few K.

Sent info
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 14, 2017, 03:27:41 PM
I have subsequently  tried 2 reloads and 4 VMM's with no change so far...

I guess I will have to retreat to the last version of FW bwfore 2126...

Does anyone have the address for the previous versions of FW???

Thanks
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: ClassicCrazy on April 14, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: Westbranch on April 14, 2017, 03:27:41 PM
I have subsequently  tried 2 reloads and 4 VMM's with no change so far...

I guess I will have to retreat to the last version of FW bwfore 2126...

Does anyone have the address for the previous versions of FW???

Thanks

What is new firmware  not doing ? Which previous firmware do you want ?

Larry
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 14, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
I did a FW upgrade to 2126  and things started out fine and the the Classic  went 'dark' as the  expression goes... the comms to the LApp and Grahams Android App and the MN Android app  were just gone.  I was looking at the forum and had the TAB monitoring the Classic....  and suddenly there was a crash..???   I first thought it migt be the bridge, so I reset itto factory and now I can see it on my list of devces to connect to but the Classic does not seem to  be  sendig so I will back up and try the old version first...
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: CDN-VT on April 15, 2017, 12:40:47 AM
Version required ?
I use one hard drive  for all solar.
I get a system set & balanced .. I leave it , why  keep tweaking / changing ??

VT
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: TomW on April 15, 2017, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: CDN-VT on April 15, 2017, 12:40:47 AM
Version required ?
I use one hard drive  for all solar.
I get a system set & balanced .. I leave it , why  keep tweaking / changing ??

VT

VT;

exactly.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Of course some folks want features not installed on units that sat in the supply chain for awhile.

Be nice if resellers would update firmware to current factory versions before shipping.


Our SMA inverter has an available firmware upgrade that supposedly fixes communication issues but I am NOT installing it mostly due to their absolute lack of response to my requests for customer support after the sale from them. Not taking the chance of bricking it when a company has demonstrated such poor customer support.

Midnite does not seem to suffer that support malady.

Bottom line is folks should not just assume a firmware upgrade will make anything "better". Or be seamless. Too many variables doing essentially a brain transplant on software driven hardware.  All my Midnite upgrades were successful but it has been awhile since I had any Midnite gear online.

Just my opinion(s)

Tom
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 15, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
Tom, VT, yes I may have been foolish but  I wanted to see if the changes to the FW may have 'finally' be ablr to connect to MM2....  I have not been able to get to MM2 since I tried to move over from MM1....

As you see I now have NO connection with my Classic....????

I got a link from Larry to boB's archive of the recent FW versions,  I am going back to FW2096 shortly...

Will advise, fingers crossed...
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: dgd on April 15, 2017, 05:33:07 PM
Of course you are doing all this firmware updates on your 'asleep' Classic? so your RE system is working normally  :)

dgd
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 15, 2017, 09:59:36 PM
Of course.... NOT.....  :o  ....  that would take the spice out of life  ;)  out here in the land of (still)  ice and snow... ???    8)

DGD, you must have telepathically conversed with my SWMBO  ... She was all upset that she did NOT have 'HER' screen to look at and 'KNOW' that her battery  was charged or not.... ::)

Today: I located an old Netgear router  and reset the FW and found that I could see the BRIDGE with it on my W7 laptop...  so went back to the ASUS router,  reset it, again  and I could see the Bridge...  but so far no contact..... but I am digging still.... with clear ORDERS not to knock out the web connection as 'one of my fav. Brit series is on tonight....
I am concentrating on how to set up a LAN out here,  yet it appears that I will have to WEP the whole setup... and that means I can not 'hide' my SSID.... damn... I like stealth mode!


Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: ClassicCrazy on April 15, 2017, 11:32:01 PM
I use old Linksys WRT54g type  wifi routers and reflash them with DDWRT firmware . They are very stable and have a lot of options for bridging, and working as client , as well as Access point.  You can usually find them free or cheap but make sure to look at exact version number because some have same model number but 8 versions and some are not compatible. But  DDWRT has database of all supported routers. I have a newer dual band Netgear router that I found Tomato firmware for and that works well too.

Larry
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 16, 2017, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: Westbranch on April 15, 2017, 09:59:36 PM
Of course.... NOT.....  :o  ....  that would take the spice out of life  ;)  out here in the land of (still)  ice and snow... ???    8)

DGD, you must have telepathically conversed with my SWMBO  ... She was all upset that she did NOT have 'HER' screen to look at and 'KNOW' that her battery  was charged or not.... ::)

Today: I located an old Netgear router  and reset the FW and found that I could see the BRIDGE with it on my W7 laptop...  so went back to the ASUS router,  reset it, again  and I could see the Bridge...  but so far no contact..... but I am digging still.... with clear ORDERS not to knock out the web connection as 'one of my fav. Brit series is on tonight....
I am concentrating on how to set up a LAN out here,  yet it appears that I will have to WEP the whole setup... and that means I can not 'hide' my SSID.... damn... I like stealth mode!

Sounds like you have a router and a bridge in your configuration?  I would simplify your network by taking the router to the Classic. Connect a short cable from Classic to a router port. Then take another short cable from another router port and connect to your laptop. Set the router for DHCP mode and set the Classic for DHCP mode. MIdNite says to reboot the Classic after changing network settings. If the router has LEDS on the ports can you see activity? Did the Classic obtain an IP from the router? If you want to stay with the Static IP you have set on the Classic first I would try to go into CMD mode and ping the Classic's Static IP.  Report back your finding for each step.
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: boB on April 16, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: Resthome on April 01, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on April 01, 2017, 12:46:07 AM

Otherwise don't you need to plug the Classic into a router via network cable and then use program like Local Status app to connect to it ? And then you can use Classic menu to set it to either DHCP or a static IP .


Actually most newer laptops you can plug the Ethernet cable from the Classic directly into the laptop and run the LA. The IPs have to be setup but it does work.

Yes, this is what I know too.  Gotta be in the same domain area as the Classic.  Static IP I believe.  The network card should take care of turning the Ethernet connection into a null-modem type automatically...

As for the non-AVG false reports of a virus, I find the browser to be the problem with the messages of "unsecure connection"....  I find myself having to actually use Microsoft Internet Explorer once in a while.  I need to replace Fire Fox browser with something else.  I also use Google Chrome sometimes but even it has unsecure connection problems that I can't seem to bypass once in a while. 

Technology a lot of times appears to be going backwards these days instead of forwards as I see it.

I also never use AVG (anymore) or Mcaffee or Norton (Symantics) because they show too many false reports.
I DO use Malware Bytes all the time now as well as No-Script addon and Microsoft Defender.

https://www.virustotal.com/  is a great site where you can run a file through, like, 53 anti-virus scanners all at once
on their dime to get an idea of who calls what a virus.

boB
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 16, 2017, 06:02:51 PM
IIRC last Wednesday, there were Security updates for MS W7  and XP , Firefox  and Thunderbird, maybe more , I was not paying attention to the Auto-update Details..  but since then there have been no pesky messages pop up on my W7 machine...

Will have to watch for the next ones...

15: 04.... whoops, maybe I typed too soon... I just got an auto-update note from Thunderbird... ???

will get to it
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: russ_drinkwater on April 17, 2017, 04:55:32 PM
The classics work fine straight from the factory (assume most of mine are fairly new) and I do not feel confident to upgrade.
So I left sleeping dogs lay and the free power keeps flowing!
Do not get me wrong it may be great with upgraded software, but where I live the dramas appears not to be worth it.
Hope you get a win!
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 17, 2017, 05:16:23 PM
Russ, power keeps flowing just not the data to the viewer...

Larry/Classic Crazy suggested a more powerful/ faster/versatile router and I'm investigating...
things are looking up...
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 18, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: Westbranch on April 17, 2017, 05:16:23 PM
Russ, power keeps flowing just not the data to the viewer...

Larry/Classic Crazy suggested a more powerful/ faster/versatile router and I'm investigating...
things are looking up...

I believe Ryan has a Network video  that walks you through hooking the Laptop Ethernet directly to the Classic. Might want to review it so you can eliminated all the other network stuff an veryify that the Classic Ethernet is working correctly.
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 18, 2017, 07:53:38 PM
thanks John, I really had to dig  :( around to find it...  I thought it was called another name  ::)

Found it on the second pass.... :)

Re-viewed video and will start with a hardwire connection as Ryan did... that should eliminate the Classic itself as the issue...

If that isn't it, I think I might know where the issue is...

it's 1 of 3...  the cable, the internal (to Classic) connection, or the LAN setup...

1. since I could 'see' but not connect to the Bridge I suspect the LAN>Bridge setup... right now I suspect it's probably the password setup or a WEP/WPA security conflict .. 
Factory Reset coming up. :o

2. will also open the Classic cover and replace/& re-seat the cat5 cable

Also ordered a 100 foot Cat6 cable to run from the basement to the loft where Router and Sat Modem live to possibly speed things up a bit.

Back on site Friday nite... :)
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: dgd on April 18, 2017, 10:40:06 PM
Quote from: Westbranch on April 18, 2017, 07:53:38 PM
Also ordered a 100 foot Cat6 cable to run from the basement to the loft where Router and Sat Modem live to possibly speed things up a bit.

For the cost of that 30metre cat6 you could probably get an Ethernet bridge such as WET54G, wire it direct via half metre cat5 to the Classic and that would be a wifi connect to your router.
And a lot easier to install compared to pulling long cat6 through floors,walls and ceilings.

Dgd

PS. Will try not to mind control your wife again...
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 19, 2017, 12:22:19 AM
thanks DGD, I did just that a couple of years ago as you suggested, my sig line:> Linksys Wet54g Bridge NetGear DS104Hub... and now I will add a WRT54GL for an stronger router than the ASUS
and I got the cable for about the same as a 20 foot cable cost me a few years back...  ~$20 delivered, mind you it will take Can. Post ~ 2+ weeks to get it across the country from Montreal...
No problem with running the wire now! but the plaster finisher is coming early next month...

Reason for the cable: One of the issues Ryan, Andrew and I discovered was sub 1 sec. "jumps?" recorded with Wireshark when trying to get through the SatNet providers servers and then again in Digital Ocean where MM2 is Hosted.  I did not have problems with MM1 but they were shutting it down so attempted the change and Nada!
Andrew and I could not make 'heads' of it let alone 'tails'...  btw I tried MM2 before the 2126FW update and same old...
So I am hoping to gain a bit of speed internally if not externally, if that is even possible...If it is a no gain , I can re-purpose it for streaming the KNOWledge channel  to stop the 'spinning wheel'...
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 19, 2017, 01:56:23 AM
Westbranch, 

Do you have Hughes Gen4 sat service? It's their fastest service. It would seem to me if MN1 worked for you and that moving to MN2 doesn't and the reason is related to ping times. Then something slowed the routing to MN2.  Still could be related to the difference in the tracert path that Hughes is taking to get there. More hops in the way. You could do tracert to both MM1 and MM2 and compare the hops and times. Can you logon to MM2?
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 19, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
No, I have Xplornet sat service.. we moved up from the basic last fall as there were too any slow moments especially with streaming....  We do have a Hughes modem... not the best I've heard... and it's a rental, would like to get away from that aspect if I could...

I will try sniffing the connection to both MN1 and MN2...  had not thought of comparing them. thanks.
Yes can log into my MN2 account but there is some sort of remnant that the 'system' believes that CC  it is still there but  does NOT show my Classic ...  going to blow that account away and start again..
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 19, 2017, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: Westbranch on April 19, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
No, I have Xplornet sat service.. we moved up from the basic last fall as there were too any slow moments especially with streaming....  We do have a Hughes modem... not the best I've heard... and it's a rental, would like to get away from that aspect if I could...

I will try sniffing the connection to both MN1 and MN2...  had not thought of comparing them. thanks.
Yes can log into my MN2 account but there is some sort of remnant that the 'system' believes that CC  it is still there but  does NOT show my Classic ...  going to blow that account away and start again..

I believe they are suppose to have a new sat in orbit testing due to go on line in Spring of 2017. If you are renting that modem I would try to get them update it to their current modem.

You might watch this You tube video to see what Xplornet is doing with it's tier system. And I believe IIRC Andrew said the data to MyMidnite2 is encrypted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd-NgVkXzPE&t=846s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd-NgVkXzPE&t=846s)

New Sat Info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp1Pj_ggrSU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp1Pj_ggrSU)
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 19, 2017, 06:59:00 PM
good links John, thanks... 

Agree about the modem update.  Will investigate...

Encrypted, Ah ha!
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 19, 2017, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: Westbranch on April 19, 2017, 06:59:00 PM
good links John, thanks... 

Agree about the modem update.  Will investigate...

Encrypted, Ah ha!

Yeah Tier 3 for Encrypted, that sucks !


Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 19, 2017, 08:00:52 PM
I found out that Xplornet wants $15 / mon. for a STATIC address...  maybe that puts it in Tier 1?
I vaguely remember him saying something about STATIC IP...

ADD:  I got hold of Xplornet to ask about the need for an equipment upgrade and got told ...  " we are now pre-listing customers that want to be transferred to the new satellite.  We will waive the $200 fee for installing a new Dish and Modem if you sign up for another 2 years"
Monthly rate can stay the same.... push, push, for a Tier upgrade... down play staying on present plan...
mumble mumble about the system not really being operational right now, asked is it BETA still... mumble mumble..no definitive answer
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on April 20, 2017, 01:29:43 AM
Quote from: Westbranch on April 19, 2017, 08:00:52 PM
I found out that Xplornet wants $15 / mon. for a STATIC address...  maybe that puts it in Tier 1?
I vaguely remember him saying something about STATIC IP...

ADD:  I got hold of Xplornet to ask about the need for an equipment upgrade and got told ...  " we are now pre-listing customers that want to be transferred to the new satellite.  We will waive the $200 fee for installing a new Dish and Modem if you sign up for another 2 years"
Monthly rate can stay the same.... push, push, for a Tier upgrade... down play staying on present plan...
mumble mumble about the system not really being operational right now, asked is it BETA still... mumble mumble..no definitive answer

Don't think statiic is from the ISP buys you anything unless you want your own domain name. 

If they are the only game in town then the 2yr commitment doesn't mean a lot as there is no other choice.

The new sat has been up there since IIRC Dec. There is no real beta. The testing they are doing has to do with getting it in a stationary orbit so it isn't moving around. They are probably also checking out their ground equipment to enable them to communicate. Its still an EchoStar/Hughes sat. Waving the setup and new equipment and no increase in fee would make it a no brainer for me. But that's me. If you are going to go from 5 or 10Meg to 25Meg with more capacity to handle more accounts. Still don't know if it would change MyMidnote issue as sats will always have longer ping times just because of the distance they have to travel.

And unless you are currently exceeding data limits no need to up for higher data limits. Surprised they aren't just making completely new plans available. Of course if you start doing a lot of things like streaming that will increase data usage.
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 23, 2017, 03:36:01 PM
 :o    :o   >:(   Where did yesterdays post go????  ARRRGH.....

OK skip the dirty details like intermittent NET connectivity...??? all day... !  Sussed THAT out today!
Day 1:
Started by removing the Classic cover  and the broadcast light was flashing.. positive sign.
Went to the HUB and the lights were blinking too, next to the BRIDGE, it indicates that it is broadcasting...
Up to the loft and I flushed all the old settings, etc and rebuilt the LAN, Device names, etc, etc...
Next check Bride connection. NADA... re check BRIDGE settings, found one issue....  reconnect... still NADA!  at this point SWMBO ordered me to lay down my tools and sleep on it...!

I was testing another older router and I don't know how or why I somehow got both of them synced and operating as a NETwork.... (Retrospectively, I think it may have been acting as a BRIDGE on the old lap top...)
got rid of that I think, though there are still some funny things going on when one W7 machine tries to connect...??

DAY2...
hooked up the Classic to the HUB and then hard wired to the ROUTER...  Voila! Houston we have Contact!  Yahoo.. 8)

The strange part is that the  ROUTER picked up a signal from the BRIDGE yesterday, but not today?
So this may be the main part of the problem, the BRIDGE is starting to fail...??

Now if James can 'flush' my invisible Classic from the MM2 data  I can test that part of the system out.

New(er) LinkSYS Router should be at home when I get back tomorrow...

Them should just have to set up the new Router up and..... fingers crossed...  ???   ::)


Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: russ_drinkwater on April 26, 2017, 04:56:16 PM
So if you do a software upgrade and there is a problem the classic will still operate and charge the batteries?
You will just not be able to view any data on the display?
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on April 26, 2017, 08:31:35 PM
Russ, Yes, it 'seemed ' to be operating as normal but the 'silent running'  ie no comms, was what had me worried... .
Without the L APP to monitor the Classic (other than running up and down stairs)  I was worried when the inverter control panel showed we were somewhere above 29.1V output... the limit set  via MNGP...

Alternatively I could mount a MNGP up stairs, if in desperate need of 'data'  but you still don't get the larger view as Grahams Android L App gives... 
A guy and his mate sure get accustomed to having it 'handy'... ;)  especially the mate   ::) gets downright cranky without it...  :o
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: russ_drinkwater on April 27, 2017, 04:22:53 PM
Put a "lite" front panel on the reg and just close your eyes? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on May 05, 2017, 09:14:54 PM
UPDATE: installed new router LinkSys WRT54GL running DD-WRT Linux FW,  all connections working.  I have operating: 3 W-7 machines,  Android TAB and Win 8.1-RT Surface.  Classic is hard wired with 100 ft. Cat6  cable...

Classic data read by Win Local App and MN Android App version and Finally!!! Grahams Android version. Actually it was sitting there trying (?)  to connect, seemed to be forever, ~5 minutes, and suddenly came alive...!!????

Tried switching from Static to DHCP and back many times,  some strange bits there WITH THE WIN L-App,  as it appears to delete the old description for the Classic but it had a life of its own and came back with same IP address, but name switched to = Device ID 2CAB 23FB....???
I finally got rid of it from the main page, X on the right side of page.

Trying to delete from the 'Add Device' page does NOT work.

No earthly idea as to what caused the sudden awakening of the Android App or the original failure to connect after sudden shut down.

Next weekend will install a new Bridge, I'll use another WRT54GL configured to act as a Bridge... more fun and games...

ADD:
Hmmm  seems there is still something going on as connection to TAB is unstable..??


Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: ClassicCrazy on May 06, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Is  the Classic wired with 100 feet of cat 5 what you are going to set up as a bridge instead ?

Larry
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on May 06, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
Hi Larry, Router #1 is in the Loft and Bridge/router #2 will be in the basement.  The Cat6 cable will be my backup for future failures  :o?

The WRT54GL has Linux FW DD-WRT installed and has to be setup as a Bridge or one of the other options in DD-WRT.

Still don't know  just what made the connection work but it is connected to changing back and forth from STATIC to DHCP several times.  I did note that the router wanted the final part of the IP to be _.145 vs the  _.22  that I previously had used... that may have been it ???

Last night I also installed V. 2126 FW / 2097 Networking, so far all machines are happy,
as is the cook !  ;)

Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: ClassicCrazy on May 06, 2017, 11:55:40 PM
Westbranch - good to hear it is all working well - I have had good experiences using DDWRT firmware .
I am just finally getting an understanding of all the networking structures. Like having the right ranges for all the devices that connect to it.

I finally got the repeater mode on DDWRT configured too - it is more involved than just making a bridge link which is fairly easy . Difference between repeater bridge and regular bridge is that wireless devices can connect to repeater bridge unit - where in regular bridge only those plugged in to bridged router work.  On either setup the Access point unit will take wireless connections though. 

I think John is the guy who really knows his stuff about networking - and a lot of other stuff !

Larry
Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Resthome on May 14, 2017, 03:43:02 AM
WB

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Title: Re: Not exactly a FW update problem or is it?
Post by: Westbranch on May 14, 2017, 12:38:44 PM
thanks John, have not been there for a couple of weeks...

Did A google search on the topic and a quick read makes me think it is a Switching / IPV4<-> IPV6 issue.

Also that is what Andre said a couple of years ago when we did all that digging into MM2, still same old/same old...

Weather good for burning winter debris right now and moderate winds for us, 15 Mph gust to 35 so have not gotten to the bridge install as yet. Fingers crossed it will be smooth sailing