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Started by krementz, April 27, 2017, 10:32:45 PM

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krementz

I want to update the firmware on my two Classic 150 controllers. The directions refer to an UBB cable that came with the controller, but it's MIA.

What kind of cable goes into the Classic. Is it a "mini", or something unique? It definitely is not a printer cable or a "micro".
Way off grid
Old system: Outback 2524, 1200 W PV,  installed 2005, 384 amp hours
New System: 2 SMA 6048 with 2 Midnite Solar Classic 150 controllers, 5500 W PV, 1700 amp hours

Westbranch

IIRC it is a standard USB to a mini B

there is a pic a few pages down in this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
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ClassicCrazy

Yeah it is the mini usb .

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
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Robin

Sorry we obviously did not update the manual when we decided to stop sending out cables.
You will get a chance to use it for adding voice very soon. It takes a very long time to download voice. I am not sure how this will go. We will probably offer to swap MNGP's for a nominal fee too.
Robin Gudgel

Resthome

Quote from: Robin on April 28, 2017, 12:22:57 AM
Sorry we obviously did not update the manual when we decided to stop sending out cables.
You will get a chance to use it for adding voice very soon. It takes a very long time to download voice. I am not sure how this will go. We will probably offer to swap MNGP's for a nominal fee too.

Hum. Maybe we need an option to update with or without voice. Otherwise it would seem like every firmware update in the future would be faced with this issue.
John

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Westbranch

I Agree.   I would forgo voice if the time is too long, since I am on Sat Net and not really sure of what the effect of a  looooong download might be...

Robin, got a video of how the final VOICE product works/sounds?
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

krementz

Thanks for the info that is a mini-B. I should still have one of those at my other house, unless SWMBO cleaned up my mancave.

The Wikipedia article claims thats the mini-B is deprecated, meaning the cables may become extinct. While there are still quite a few on Amazon, but you might want to make an engineering change to change the connector to micro USB. I haven't seen a device using mini-B in many years (like 10), except for these Classics.

From a PR perspective, using such an old connector makes your product sound reaaaaally antique. Well, at least you are not using a 9 pin serial connection, like my old Outback.
Way off grid
Old system: Outback 2524, 1200 W PV,  installed 2005, 384 amp hours
New System: 2 SMA 6048 with 2 Midnite Solar Classic 150 controllers, 5500 W PV, 1700 amp hours

krementz

BTW, what is "Voice" that has been mentioned? Why would I want it?

My knee jerk reaction would be very loud #%^&@ "Voice" against, but maybe I am a troglodyte.
Way off grid
Old system: Outback 2524, 1200 W PV,  installed 2005, 384 amp hours
New System: 2 SMA 6048 with 2 Midnite Solar Classic 150 controllers, 5500 W PV, 1700 amp hours

TomW

Quote from: krementz on April 28, 2017, 08:31:27 AM
BTW, what is "Voice" that has been mentioned? Why would I want it?

My knee jerk reaction would be very loud #%^&@ "Voice" against, but maybe I am a troglodyte.

Frankly, I am not sure exactly what it is for or the purpose.

In general, I am not in favor of equipment that talks.  ;D

My computer, phone, tablet and car all try to tell me what to do. ::)

Just hope they don't get into the cycle my Iphone is in with Apple downloading massive files to "update" without asking  and playing fast and loose with my settings.

Apparently they do not understand the concept of a "Patch".

Anyway, more info on "voice" would be appreciated.

Tom
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mike90045

As long as I have vision working, I can read the screens.  Voice adds what?  Can it even be heard over the fans ?   
As long as there is FW w/o voice, I'll be happy, if it's forced on me, fie on you.
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Sunshine

Lest we get our our pitch forks, there is no intention to force Voice updates on the masses. I was speaking with Robin about it this morning and he fully understands that a large portion of our customer base does not have the ability(or some the want) to download a file the size of this update. The latest firmware will continue to be available on the website with a separate file option for voice.
The voice update will give you audio feedback about the state of your system. You will have options on the level/frequency of audio notifications your Classic provides. Your Classic will still function fully, as always, even if you choose not to download the voice option.

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: Sunshine on May 01, 2017, 06:35:33 PM
Lest we get our our pitch forks, there is no intention to force Voice updates on the masses. I was speaking with Robin about it this morning and he fully understands that a large portion of our customer base does not have the ability(or some the want) to download a file the size of this update. The latest firmware will continue to be available on the website with a separate file option for voice.
The voice update will give you audio feedback about the state of your system. You will have options on the level/frequency of audio notifications your Classic provides. Your Classic will still function fully, as always, even if you choose not to download the voice option.

Robin ,
When will this new firmware be available - or is it ready enough now for some of us guinea pigs to try out ?
If so post  a copy of the new firmware on here or somewhere on the forums  so we can load it up .

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable