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openplanet

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PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« on: September 11, 2017, 02:16:33 PM »

I have a Classic 200, Firmware rev. 1849, Network rev. 1839.
Haven't upgraded firmware because haven't had problems and haven't lacked functionality.

I have now doubled my array and added a Classic 150, Firmware rev. 2126, Network rev. 2122
BEFORE activating this second Classic I figure I should upgrade both units to the latest firmware.

Given all the posts about firmware upgrade nightmares, I'd like to get any advice anyone cares to give.
Yes, I've read the upgrade-related posts, and tried to glean whatever wisdom I can in order to maximize my chances for success...but I'd also like, as I said, any additional input that might help.

Thank you.

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 02:39:17 PM »
what O/S are you using?  W7 and up have worked well for a lot of us will have read...  it's just the initiation that may get you..

my latest FW update and W7 with the new implanter was over before I could believe it, compared to earlier versions.

enjoy and learn...
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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 02:52:38 PM »
We have recently changed the application we use for software updates to make them much less troublesome.

We also put together 2 different documents that give great instruction that will cover most operating systems.

They are listed under the software section of the Midnitesolar web page.

FYI  unless you are going to be using the follow me connection having multiple Classics running different SW is possible.

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openplanet

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 03:27:26 PM »
I definitely need to use follow me.
Is jumping so many versions an issue?
Thx.

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 03:31:54 PM »
what O/S are you using?
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KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL 29032 V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub Hughes 1100 Sat. Modem
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openplanet

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2017, 04:19:42 PM »
Win 10.

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2017, 10:35:37 PM »
Hi openplanet,

First,   after the advent of doing the VMM (reset Classic to Default values),   there does not seem to be any issue with doing Updates on Classics that have FirmWare that is a number of years behind the current rev.

A few months ago,   Updated the FW in all Classics here,  and  the first two went SO smoothly,   and quickly that it was amazin'.   The third Classic took a few tries,   but  went perfectly,   after disconnecting the Network cable.

Here is a bit more info:
http://midniteftp.com/forum/index.php?topic=3772.0

The new Programmer/Updater  seems to work very smoothly.   The earlier Updater seemed to mostly have issues caused by Microsoft  and the way that they do,   and do not do things   ...

The Classics here were also going from 1849 to 2126 FW.

Personally,   I would not be reluctant to do the Update,   based upon experience with the new Programmer.  If you have Internet access available at the site/s where the Classics to be Updated,   so much the better.

FWIW,   Vic
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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 09:28:33 AM »
That's extremely reassuring Vic, and I greatly appreciate it.
Looks like firmware update woes may be a think of the past.
I'm planning to do mine in a few days; will report back.
Thanks again.

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2017, 09:51:41 PM »
i noticed avg internet security app thinks that update file is a trojan horse. whilst moving the file from one disk to another it pops up and does not want to transfer it.

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2017, 09:48:28 AM »
It is an embarrassingly primitive update procedure. I updated two Classics to the current 2126 firmware a few months ago.

First, make sure you can find an antique USB-mini connector. They were deprecated a decade ago, in May 2007 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Mini_connectors. The installation manual says they are included with the unit, but they aren't.

Finding the USB-mini connection on the Classic was not obvious; I needed a mirror and flashlight.

The USB to serial driver is NOT validated, so Windows and most anti-virus programs will flag it as unauthorized (and possibly dangerous malware) You need to override it. I don't think there is any problem, but it reeks that something as essential as a driver is not authenticated.

The update proceeds at something like 1200 baud - remember baud? Or in modern terms, 0.0012 mbps. Modern computers have USB ports that are 480 to 20,000 mbps.

I read about some people having problems using Windows 10. I resurrected an antique version of Windows XP, which worked in a VMWare window on my Mac.

Even though the upgrade is not documented, it did solve some anomalies. My previous firmwares were over 100 revisions old, and unmatched by at least 50 revisions.

There is a "voice" beta version of the firmware, that I strongly advise to stay away from. Get your updated system running and stable before adding an annoying voice to irritate you.

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Re: PRE- firmware upgrade advice request
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2017, 05:20:11 PM »
the new windows 10 updater works like a dream, compared to the procedure they had before. 30 steps. and took about an hour.  but hei, they improved the firmware incredibly, like adding the whizbang jr. and smoothing out hitches.

and yes they used to include the usb cable. at first faulty ones. and now the cable is not included anymore.

and i agree, i am not too keen on the talking feature.