How high a temp is too high?

Started by openplanet, October 18, 2018, 02:39:21 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

openplanet

My FLA battery bank can get up to 36 deg. C. during bulk & absorb.  I've scoured the Interweb for what's "normal" and within acceptible limits, without success.  What do y'all think?  THx.
_______________________________________
We are star dust [on a] pale blue dot.
[And yes,] there is grandeur in this view of life.
Joni Mitchell, Carl Sagan, Charles Darwin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIANk7zQ05w

Vic

Hi open..,

Heat is the enemy of batteries  (and electronics, etc).  Our Lead Acid (LA) batteries are generally speced at 25 - 27 degrees C  (77  to about 80 F).

For every 10 degree C temperature rise above this Reference 25-ish C temperature,  LA battery life is cut in half of what it would have been at 25 C.   Of course,   this applies to the time that was spent at this elevated temperature.   Reduction in battery temperature below 25 C (within reason)  should increase life,  verses being at 25 C.

Cooler is better(within reason).   Keeping the batteries and power electronics cool,  is the reason that we air-condition (A/C) the power rooms here.  This cooling has priority over human-comfort A/C.

Sometimes,  we simply have little reasonable choice in keeping  batteries cool,   however.

FWIW.   Vic
Off Grid - Sys 1: 2ea SW+ 5548, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH, 5.25 KW PV, Classic 150,WB, Beta Barcelona, Beta KID
Sys 2: SW+ 5548s, 4KS25s, 5.88 KW PV, 2 ea. Classic 150, WB, HB CC-needs remote Monitoring/Control, site=remote.
 MN Bkrs/Bxs/Combiners. Thanks MN for Great Products/Svc/Support&This Forum!!

ClassicCrazy

If possible don't have the batteries tight together and have space between them so they can cool

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

alyaz

#3
Here’s what Rolls says about the temperature issue, fwiw:

Hot Operating Temperatures

In hot ambient operating temperatures, cells temperatures exceeding 110ºF (43ºC) should be avoided. A battery on charge will experience approximately a 20ºF (10ºC) rise in cell temperature in an ambient range of 95ºF (35ºC). Charging should be more closely monitored in temperatures >95ºF. Charging currents should be reduced or charging should be stopped until the battery is allowed to cool if 110ºF (43ºC)
is exceed as very serious damage can occur at temperatures of 125ºF (52ºC).

Batteries on discharge will generate heat. This heat generation is moderate and not a problem during normal discharge conditions. However, when discharged at very high rates high ambient temperature conditions must be avoided. A high rate would be quickly draining the battery in 1-2 hours. The combination of high ambient temperatures above 95ºF (35ºC) and high discharges rates can cause serious battery damage. These high discharged rates can be avoided by using a larger capacity battery.

In hot operating temperatures:

1 - Don’t not let cell temperatures exceed 110ºF(43ºC)
2 - Let battery cool if 110ºF (43ºC) is reached
3 - Avoid very heavy loads to avoid rapid discharge rates.
3.3 kW solar. (1.5 kW Helios - MN Classic 150 CC; .8 kW CSun - MN Classic 150 CC; 1 kW Sharp - MN  Classic 250 CC); Magnum PAE-4024 Inverter, AGS, ARC, BMK. Whizbang Jr., Midnite Solar battery monitor, 5 Midnite SPD’s. 24V Rolls 4KS21P - 1105 a/hr FLA.  10 kW Perkins Diesel.