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MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« on: May 10, 2022, 08:50:18 AM »
Hi All
I just installed A MN3024DIY in my Travel Trailer.
Set Up
Battery: DIY Lifepo4 8 cell 24v 100ah 80A BMS
Controller:  MN3024DIY
Solar Panels: 250w and 130w

So far so good
Runs every thing in the camper.
just not at the same time.
Right now I do not have enough battery to use the full 3000W only able to use about 2000W.
There are 2 things I do not like about the MN3024DIY.
1: The AC output connection are hard to access and connect NO room.
2: The minimum PV input voltage of 30V is to high my 250W panel likes to operate at 28V so I had to add A second panel.
My Tracer 4215BN input range is 2v-108v.

The plan is to add another Battery and put about 400W-600W of panels on the roof next year.
Thank
Jim

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2022, 10:21:46 AM »
So you have two PV panels in series ?
Are the PV you have matched in voltage ?
You are probably limiting your higher power pv to the current of the lower one - I think that is how that works .

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Classic 150 , 5s4p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system two
Classic 150 ,5s 135 watt Kyocero , Jakiper 48v LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system three
Midnite KID MPPT 24 DC in to  12 volt AGM batteries

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2022, 01:18:40 PM »
Yes I have the 250W and the 130W in series.
Yes the 130W may drag down the 250W but at this point and time  it will have to do.
My budget will not let me buy matching panels.

 

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2022, 11:20:52 AM »
okay - yeah you do what you gotta do !
Lots of used PV out there these days so maybe you can find some in your budget.
Big PV projects replace with newer panels, and they may have scratch and dent stuff too.
Prices on those should be really reasonable since the cost of new PV is so low for them.
Larry
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Classic 150 , 5s4p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system two
Classic 150 ,5s 135 watt Kyocero , Jakiper 48v LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system three
Midnite KID MPPT 24 DC in to  12 volt AGM batteries

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2022, 10:06:24 AM »
Ran into a little snag.
The manual does not tell how to reset or clear alarms without shutting the whole thing down.
Does anyone know how to clear an alarm without shutting the system down?
Thanks
Jim   

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2022, 11:06:40 AM »
Hi All
I just installed A MN3024DIY in my Travel Trailer.
Set Up
Battery: DIY Lifepo4 8 cell 24v 100ah 80A BMS
Controller:  MN3024DIY
Solar Panels: 250w and 130w

So far so good
Runs every thing in the camper.
just not at the same time.
Right now I do not have enough battery to use the full 3000W only able to use about 2000W.
There are 2 things I do not like about the MN3024DIY.
1: The AC output connection are hard to access and connect NO room.
2: The minimum PV input voltage of 30V is to high my 250W panel likes to operate at 28V so I had to add A second panel.
My Tracer 4215BN input range is 2v-108v.

The plan is to add another Battery and put about 400W-600W of panels on the roof next year.
Thank
Jim

Hi Jim,

In looking at the manual for the 4215BN CC,  the MPP Input voltage range, is:
 "MPP voltage range Battery voltage+2V~108V".

And, at only 2 volts above battery voltage, the CC has essentially NO Headroom to operate.  You really need a number of volts, above two, for the MPPT function to do anything meaningful, IMO.

I know nothing about clearing Alarms.  Good Luck, Vic
Off Grid - Two systems -- 4 SW+ 5548s, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH X2@48V, 11.1 KW STC PV, 3X MidNite Classic 150 w/ WBjrs, Beta KID on S-530s, MX-60s, MN Bkrs/Boxes.  Thanks MN for Great Products/Service/Support!

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2022, 01:36:14 PM »
... And, Jim, will add another thought;

When PVs are run in series strings,  generally, the Imp specs of each panel is what matters most, regarding string power.

Using guesses about the actual ratings of the dissimilar PVs in your strings,  assume that the 130 watt PVs might produce about, 7.4 amps at STC.  And,  assuming that the 250 watt PVs are 60 Cell panels, which would mean that the Vmp, is about 31-ish volts.  This would mean that the STC Imp is about 8 amps.  These two, assumed values are very close to each other, if nominally correct.

They are probably within ten-ish percent of each other.  Personally would not worry, at all about this probable slight difference.

FWIW, IMO, etc, Vic
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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2022, 08:35:16 PM »
The 250w panel specs
Pmax 250W
Vmp   30.1
Imp     8.3
Voc    37.2
Isc       8.87

The 135W Panel specs
Pmax 135W
Vmp     17.7
Imp        7.63
Voc       22.1
Isc         8.37

I am looking at 4 100W panels to mount to the roof of the camper.
As soon as my budget will allow the 24v Lifepo4 battery and the MN3024DIY destroyed my budget.
By the way so far so good the unit runs everything I need it to run.
A few hiccups all operator head space lol my fault.   
Thanks for the reply

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2022, 06:53:50 PM »
Found a fault with this unit.
Bad EMI or EMF radio interference.
My Ameture Radios or Ham Radio has a lot of noise when this unit  is running.
So if your a ham and you plan on running an HF rig when your camping you will need to shut this unit down.
 :-\ 

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2022, 07:43:17 PM »
Found a fault with this unit.
Bad EMI or EMF radio interference.
My Ameture Radios or Ham Radio has a lot of noise when this unit  is running.
So if your a ham and you plan on running an HF rig when your camping you will need to shut this unit down.
 :-\

Hi Jim,

Is your RV connected to shorepower, when you noticed the RFI?
What are frequency ranges, where you notice this RFI?
If you can,  try switching OFF, the breaker for the PV input to the DIY inverter/charger.  Does the RFI diminish?  Generally, the most affected frequencies are in the HF range,  and, lower HF frequencies have stronger RFI, than do the upper frequency ranges.  AND, often the Charge Controller contributes more to RFI, than do inverters (yes, a broad generality).

There have been a number of discussions on RFI issues, with power electronics, on this Forum.  Here is one:
http://midniteftp.com/forum/index.php?topic=4950.0

For additional ones,  try searching for,  "  RFI  ", from the Index (home) page.

Using Ferrite cores (Mix 31 for HF are best),  shielding power conductors, moving antennas from near the PVs, and power electronics can all help,  often, these help a lot.

This is a broad topic,  later, Vic
« Last Edit: May 17, 2022, 07:46:11 PM by Vic »
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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2022, 01:03:59 AM »

I have never tested the DIY's for EMI.

What bands or frequencies ?

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2022, 11:39:16 AM »
No RFI problems when connected to shore power.
10m-160m about every 60khz - 10, 15, and 17 are tolerable the lower you go in frequency the worse it gets.
Have not tried Ferrite cores yet.
Will do some testing and post the results.     

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2022, 02:10:33 PM »

So, no switching noises when it is connected to the grid ?  Even when it is charging the batteries ?

Rising noise at lower frequencies is sure a common thing to see.

You may need to try a large-ish ferrite on the battery +/- cables.  What happens to the noise when the DIY is inverting but the AC output loads are disconnected ?   If search mode is active, you should disable it so it stays running and you can hear the noise.
If AC output wire is connected to a panel or power strips of something and noise is still there, try disconnecting the AC output right at the inverter itself.   If noise is still there, disconnect the shore power connection at the inverter and check again, even if the shore power was not active.

All this is to try and determine which terminals the RFI is coming from.   It might even be radiating from the unit itself but the box is kind of solidly covering the electronics if I remember correctly.

Also try to notice when you remove loads and wires if the noise gets better or not...

The last thing that I would try if only the battery is connected and the EMI is still there is to rely on the inverter's battery side capacitors to keep the inverter running for a few seconds after the battery is disconnected to see if it stops making noise during those few seconds that the battery is disconnected.  That might give an indication that the inverter is radiating all by itself.

Also, are there any other communications cables coming out of the DIY inverter that might help radiate RF ?

PV connected ?

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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2022, 02:57:07 PM »
  ...   BUT.  first, why not try switching the PV input to the inverter/charger > OFF <?  Most likely, there is a circuit breaker on these leads,  so, in a matter of seconds, one could discover what contribution this side of the box is contributing the greatest amount of RFI.  boB knows much more than I, and perhaps, the 60 kHz spacing, might be much more linked to the HF inverter electronics, than to the CC side of things ...

Yes, in a camper setup, the PV cables are shorter than in most, larger stationary systems  ...  most of the HF interference that we have seen, does come from the PV cabling, and PVs themselves   ...   just sayin'

FWIW, whatta I know ?? ! ?        73, GL, Vic
« Last Edit: May 18, 2022, 07:33:54 PM by Vic »
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Re: MN3024DIY (Camper Install)
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2022, 03:03:23 PM »

Vic, I missed the part in his original posting regarding the solar.

Was assuming that it would not have been that because the EMI goes away when he is running on shore power.

But I should not assume anything there because the PV could be making things better or worse depending on his settings that determine when the PV will run

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