E-panel to match Cotek ST1500 inverter ?

Started by Westbranch, May 29, 2012, 11:34:18 PM

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Westbranch

Quote from: Robin on August 12, 2012, 08:10:33 PM
Exposed cables have never been allowed per the NEC.

thinking this through a bit more, if one was to mount the inverter on the door of a cabinet with a small bit of PVC conduit or ??  through the door for the wires, would the 'enclosed' wiring inside the cabinet  then be code compliant..??? 

ps for us Canucks this smiley ???  translates to eh?? (said ay?)  ;) as opposed to huh  ;)
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Halfcrazy

The big question is the Cotek ST1500 UL Listed? If not it can not be installed in a dwelling to be code compliant. Safe and Compliant are 2 different things. Safe and common sense go a long way and if there is no inspection than you would be ok.

Ryan
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Westbranch

#17
Hi Ryan, found it is FCC, EC and E-13 rated ( apparently E-13 is for Canada where I live, but unable to get through to the Gov Canada web page *#$%^&). 

This is for off grid install and no inspection or Code just want it safe... and as close to Code as I can reasonably get.
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Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
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SolarMusher

Not sure if it's code compliant but when I have enough $ ;), I like to install it this way with all vented holes screened.
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

boB

Quote from: SolarMusher on August 20, 2012, 08:53:57 AM
Not sure if it's code compliant but when I have enough $ ;), I like to install it this way with all vented holes screened.
Erik

Sure looks good to me !

  NICE job !  That pic should probably go up on our gallery !

boB
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Westbranch

Erik,  Ditto on the nice install...

What is the QO DC on the left for? I assume the box on the right is a 100 or 200 A disconnect or transfer switch?
Can/will you access the 110V wiring from another room, or behind the plywood? or exposed as is normal house install practice?

Interesting that you used West Fraser Plywood.  They started ops. just north of here, in BC and there it is in PQ.

Eric
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Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
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SolarMusher

Hi Eric, boB and the gang,
It was a 48VDC system.
120/240VAC on the left (but when I installed it wasn't wired), on the right it's a SolarConverter 48/24 (this custommer didn't tell me first that he had wired all the floors for 24VDC) which feed a 24VDC centre for lighting, fridge and freezer.
It was a one day job with 6 hours drive, at the end of the installation (I was burned), I wired the Magnum to the E-panel and had a red light when I switched the power ... ??? Checked it quickly and found that my supplier gave me a 4024PAE inverter instead of a 4448PAE  :o
Had to come back two days later to test and run this system...  8)
QuoteNICE job !  That pic should probably go up on our gallery !
Great, I'd like it!
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

SolarMusher

boB, sorry for the FM60 but the Classic wasn't available at this time for us in Quebec  :'(
My two last ones were with Classic 200  8)
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

Robin

Not only do you need to place wiring in conduit, but all the gear must have the proper listings. The original post here regarding the Protek (I think) inverter has a fatal flaw. The inverter has no UL or ETL or CSA listing. Even if you somehow make a shied and conduit for the wiring, it still does not have the proper listings. If this inverter was listed, it would have been listed to UL458, the RV standard. UL1741 is the inverter standard applicable to residential homes and such.
This stuff is complicated. I rarely comment on home owner installations. After all, they account for a significant amount of our business. We do try to make things clkear in the instructions regarding conduit and such, but rarely do I see photos of a home owner installation that is code compliant. Now that doesn't mean everything is going to go up in smoke. Europe does not require conduit for battery cables. Just use good jusgement and go for it.
Robin
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Westbranch

#24
thanks robin, I sent the Canadian distributor a query and he responded,

"the ST series are not being listed, because they are low volume. You are correct that the listing for the ST series due to the transfer switch would be UL458 and we do conform to the listing requirements, but the cost to have each model listed and annual maintenance is significant for UL, let alone cUL.

The higher volume models (S series & most of the SK series) are all listed."


Looks like it similar to your 3 phase SPD issue for testing.

ADD: PS, I opted for a MNE175LT , which came last week, now reading manual and figuring things out in my mind

KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

Robin

Just copy SolarMusher. His install is very professional. Well all except that black art deco thing in the middle.
Actually, the Outback controller is a good unit. boB needed something to practice on before tackling his 7 year Classic project.
Robin Gudgel

Photowhit

Robin "Not only do you need to place wiring in conduit, but all the gear must have the proper listings. The original post here regarding the Protek (I think) inverter has a fatal flaw. The inverter has no UL or ETL or CSA listing. Even if you somehow make a shied and conduit for the wiring, it still does not have the proper listings. If this inverter was listed, it would have been listed to UL458, the RV standard. UL1741 is the inverter standard applicable to residential homes and such."

I just wanted to point out that some of the prosine 1800 watt inverters carry the UL1741 (only 1 of the 3 I own) ...but to my knowledge there has never been a conduit "container" for them, the reason I said when did the code change, and perhaps it did at some point?

Home system 20 - 200watt Evergreen, E-Panel, 2-Classic Lite 150s up and running and 14 Suntech 185watt panels, and another Classic Lite in a dark room. Cabin system 8-115watt 12V, 6 - 170-5watt 24v, Pulse/Trace PC250 Power Center, 800AH 24V forklift Batt, ProSine 1800 watt (24v) inverter.