load management

Started by Barry Fields, May 05, 2024, 02:39:13 PM

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Barry Fields

If I had a 2000watt resistive PWM DUMP load, and the average pwm signal (10 minutes) was over 50%, would that not indicate that I have approx 1000watts of available PV power that I should use for and opportunity load?
20 years experience in Field Service and Engineering Support in life support equipment and the computer Industry.
I pride myself in diagnostic skills and NOT knowing everything. I do know how to ask the right questions of those who should know the answers. I can do this politely.

boB


At 50% duty cycle, a 2000W load should be dissipating 1000 watts *IF* the voltage you are applying to that load is at the voltage required to dissipate 2kW in that resistor.

I'd also use a fan.  Maybe.
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Barry Fields

Where am I going here is as follows:

An opportunity load would be engaged based on the PWM% (last 10 min avg) indicating that excess PV power is available.
That load would stay engaged during a minimum run timer MRT (say 20min) .

When MRT =0 then if PWM%avg >0% and SOC >90% the load would continue for 5minutes and rechecked.

If the PWM%avg <0% or SOC< 90% the load would disengage.

A delayed restart timer DRST (5min) would prevent premature re-engagement.

The system would recheck PWM%avg and SOC every 5minutes for possible re-engagement.

This approach would work even without an actual PWM load.


My planned DUMP LOAD would be a rewired hot water heater run my primary inverter. shown below.
20 years experience in Field Service and Engineering Support in life support equipment and the computer Industry.
I pride myself in diagnostic skills and NOT knowing everything. I do know how to ask the right questions of those who should know the answers. I can do this politely.

ClassicCrazy

I  bypass the pv input  around the controller to the resistance heater load. An SSR or DC contactor can be used to switch the PV input. I use a contactor now with it just being on off controlled by Aux . But I guess it could be pwm using a ssr or igbt depending on pv voltage.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

Barry Fields

Quote from: ClassicCrazy on May 07, 2024, 03:45:05 PMI  bypass the pv input  around the controller to the resistance heater load. An SSR or DC contactor can be used to switch the PV input. I use a contactor now with it just being on off controlled by Aux . But I guess it could be pwm using a ssr or igbt depending on pv voltage.
Larry

Thanks for your input. I hate to correct myself twice in the same week but I found an error in the schematic. corrected one below.

My primary Aims 6000w inverter runs continuously for my water pump and fridge and other little stuff I can manually switch from grid. There is room for it to handle another 2kw.
Therefore I chose to use that 220v to run the DUMP. As the DUMP LOAD requires approx 10a @220 it enabled me to use 14-2 wire to that load with a 15a breaker.

How do you trigger opportunity loads?

regards Barry
20 years experience in Field Service and Engineering Support in life support equipment and the computer Industry.
I pride myself in diagnostic skills and NOT knowing everything. I do know how to ask the right questions of those who should know the answers. I can do this politely.

ClassicCrazy

The Aux contacts on the Classic have lots of different ways to turn on or off or pwm based on voltage, soc, etc . That is what I have been using.
I have a video on how I used the PWM of Waste Not to send extra power to water heater.
But switching the load using PWM might be difficult for the inverter depending - on mine it would make my LED lights flicker though didn't have effect on other loads.
https://youtu.be/s7trVpHLts4?si=gOzi8TAL_mV9fwJO
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable