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Rag Chew => Off Topic Discussions => Topic started by: ClassicCrazy on February 23, 2017, 05:51:40 PM

Title: Lithium Ferro Phosphate batteries
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 23, 2017, 05:51:40 PM

Here are some new type lithium batteries on the market.
only 1/2 C for charge and 1C for discharge.
https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-deep-cycle-batteries/simpliphi-power-smart-tech-lithium-batteries-p40602/#SIMPHI3.4-48V

Title: Re: Lithium Ferro Phosphate batteries
Post by: niel on February 24, 2017, 07:54:32 AM
for the amount of cost for power from these batteries it makes little sense to venture in that direction. if you have that much $ to do it then just go ahead and pay the utility to send the power to you as that would prove to be cheaper in most cases.
Title: Re: Lithium Ferro Phosphate batteries
Post by: TomW on February 24, 2017, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: niel on February 24, 2017, 07:54:32 AM
for the amount of cost for power from these batteries it makes little sense to venture in that direction. if you have that much $ to do it then just go ahead and pay the utility to send the power to you as that would prove to be cheaper in most cases.

Indeed, OUCH!

Nearly 4 grand for what is essentially tiny capacity  (71 AH)? Their specs say 67 AH once you read deeper.

If my mental math is right you would need 20 grand to get into useful capacity range for off grid anyway.

Their WH rating (Model: PHI3.4-48V 3440 Wh 48V) is just smoke and mirrors. Seems if they outright said ~70 AH everyone would run away but 3,440 watt hours sounds impressive. Until you put it into commonly used AH units for battery capacity. >:(

It is nice to see the new technologies but the cost is pretty crazy IMHO

Anyway, just the facts as I see them. However, not everyone has my vision.

Tom
Title: Re: Lithium Ferro Phosphate batteries
Post by: ClassicCrazy on February 24, 2017, 10:03:39 AM
As far as I can tell their marketing is based on that they are safe , made in USA, and recyclable . But their specs are not very impressive in the amount of power they will deliver - only 1C  and C/2 ( 1/2 of capacity ) charging rate. If you compare that to other LiFePO4 on the market for less money they really don't seem very good at all.   For example Calb 100 AH cells will deliver 2C and you can charge at 1C

Larry
Title: Re: Lithium Ferro Phosphate batteries
Post by: ClassicCrazy on March 04, 2017, 02:33:54 AM
They made a video on their batteries and claim the lifetime cost is half of lead acid , but the chart they show does not seem to support that - in fact only shows lead acid a few cents less per lifetime cost.
If I am missing something let me know
https://youtu.be/jj83sQ_kAyM

Larry