Is Rosie BETA version 24.05.21.00 still available for download? My Rosie came with 24.2.29.1 & when I ran the Android Beta program (Green) to update, says I am running the current version. Thanks.
Dave
The beta app should be pulling 24.06.03.01 from the server
Quote from: FNG on July 18, 2024, 08:35:58 AMThe beta app should be pulling 24.06.03.01 (tel:24.06.03.01) from the server
Thank you Ryan. I'm having issues getting this latest Beta into my replacement Rosie. When I check the Beta Server, I get a message that says the SERVER is not available or the internet is down. When I check the regular software Server, it says I'm running the latest software. (I know my internet is good, so this just verifies that I'm getting out ok and connecting to at least one Midnite Sever). Any ideas on how I can fix this. I'm using an Android phone that has had no issues down loading regular Beta updates on my prior Rosie. I also have an older Android pad that I've tried the Beta server, get the same message. Thanks!
Dave
Hi AAApilot, I have a couple of questions.
1.Have you tried uninstalling and re-installing the app?
2. if you tried connecting via wi-fi have you tried cell phone reception or vice verse?
3. What other troubleshooting steps have you tried so far?
Quote from: AdminDragon on July 18, 2024, 05:02:11 PMHi AAApilot, I have a couple of questions.
1.Have you tried uninstalling and re-installing the app?
2. if you tried connecting via wi-fi have you tried cell phone reception or vice verse?
3. What other troubleshooting steps have you tried so far?
1.Yes, several times. Uninstalling app, turning off phone, back on, reinstall, etc.
2. The Android phone is not connected to cell service (I use an iPhone), wi-fi only.
2a. I disconnected the house wifi from the iPhone, did a HotSpot wifi connection to the Android phone w/the iPhone on cell connection, and attempted connection. No joy, same 'failed to connect' message.
I dug up an older Android tablet, downloaded the App, and tried w/that device, did not work as well. However, the 'Blue' App that checks for stable releases works fine on both Android and Apple devices.
The Android phone has worked fine in the past, just hasn't worked since I brought up the 'new' Rosie. I doubt this has anything to do w/the issue, however it was the reason for needing to connect to the Beta server.
Does the MNGP2 keep any internal markers for equipment it has updated in the past? Would reseting MNGP2 perhaps clear out old data from the previous Rosie? I have resisted doing this as if it doesn't help, then I'll only be able to bring back the MNGP2 back to a 'stable' software, not Beta.
Thanks for the input! Dave
On the android phone try going to Settings, Apps, find the midnite app and wipe it's cache and memory .
Larry
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on July 19, 2024, 11:03:14 AMOn the android phone try going to Settings, Apps, find the midnite app and wipe it's cache and memory .
Larry
Appreciate the advice, Larry. I should have done that, but not very familiar w/an Android. Anyway, that did not work either :(. I even went as far as to uninstall the regular Updater program as well as the Classic app that monitors my Classic 200 and unplugged the internet from that controller. Just operating on the theory that some Midnite program was interrupting/changing the settings. Finally swapped out the Sim from my iPhone into the Android, so LTE data only - no WiFi, then re-installed the Beta app (cleaned out the Cache & data before I deleted the app and removed the battery from the phone for a couple minute). Nada, same 'failed to connect to the server'. I'm out of thoughts .....
Dave
Did you try holding in the Back Button on the MNGP2 while powering it on ?
That is supposed to put it back to production version. But maybe if you aren't able to connect to beta update site that wouldn't help. Is there anything in your router, security software, or firewall that might be blocking it? Try disabling them and then see if it finds the site ?
Larry
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on July 19, 2024, 06:57:56 PMDid you try holding in the Back Button on the MNGP2 while powering it on ?
That is supposed to put it back to production version. But maybe if you aren't able to connect to beta update site that wouldn't help. Is there anything in your router, security software, or firewall that might be blocking it? Try disabling them and then see if it finds the site ?
Larry
Not that I'm aware of. I've made numerous Beta updates since January to the HB/MNGP2/Rosie with the same Android/WiFi combo. I haven't made any changes to the router, but you never know if/when some auto-update software makes a change. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. I bypassed the WiFi by using Cell data, so I doubt that is the cause. I've tried all the External solutions that I can think of .. 2 different Android devices, both home WiFi and Cell internet and hotspot to a 3rd phone. I'm going to shut down the HB/Rosie, pull the covers and change the position of the Canbus plugs, then do a reset on both machines. The only difference to the system was the replacement of the Rosie, so logical troubleshooting would be something within that unit/software.
Dave
Did you turn off any units (HB) that you were not updating to reduce canbus traffic ?
I'm guessing you did but...
Quote from: boB on July 19, 2024, 09:19:24 PMDid you turn off any units (HB) that you were not updating to reduce canbus traffic ?
I'm guessing you did but...
I did as you suggested last night boB, HB off, removed the MNGP2 from the HB and plugged directly into Rosie. Same result. I have a spare HB 90, so I unpacked it, removed the MNGP2, plugged it into Rosie using a known good Cat6a patch cord, same result running the Beta or Normal updater. Then I tried the Normal Updater on the iPhone and .... surprise, it connects just fine! Updated the new MNGP2 to latest Production firmware AND the Rosie to 3.15.24 which is latest Production. SO, it has to be something with BOTH Android devices. I completely wiped clean and reset the LG Style 3+ Android phone, running android 7.0 (app needs 5.1 or later), still won't connect to the server, yet it downloads all other apps and data just fine. Guess I'm going to purchase a new Android and see what happens :/
Does anyone know if the Beta app/Android devices need a particular Reservation &/or Port Forwarding port opened?
Dave
I used to be able to buy new and unlocked Android phones from Amazon I think it was for like, $38
I am not sure if that is a thing of the past or not.
WEIRD that your iPhone connected. Does it update code ?
boB
Quote from: boB on July 20, 2024, 04:38:35 PMWEIRD that your iPhone connected. Does it update code ?
boB
Yes it did! The iPhone updated the Rosie to latest Production code. I also did the MNGP2 reset back to factory firmware, then did an iPhone update to latest Production code.
My neighbor uses an Android phone and said he'd stop by this weekend so I could give it a try. I'll get a new 'something' Android once I know that it will work! Thanks boB!
Dave
My older Samsung S5 has always worked on updates for Hawkes Bay. But I have loaded a different operating system in it than stock Samsung. Look on XDA Forums to see what operating systems might be available for you phone . Takes a little bit of geek work to install sometimes depending on type of phone.
By the way - I just picked up 3 android phones from a store recycling bin. Not sure which generation yet or if they are better than the one I have . I guess it has been sort of a hobby of mine to reflash the operating systems in phones over the years . I don't pay any phone company - just use them with wifi which gives me access to all the apps , etc.
Larry
Thanks Larry, Good advice. I hate having a perfectly good piece of equipment, well other than accessing the Beta server, that goes to waste, so I'll take a look at the XDA site. I'm not totally geek, but I have my moments! :)
Dave
Quote from: aaapilot on July 20, 2024, 07:17:57 PMThanks Larry, Good advice. I hate having a perfectly good piece of equipment, well other than accessing the Beta server, that goes to waste, so I'll take a look at the XDA site. I'm not totally geek, but I have my moments! :)
Dave
Off topic comment here -- The biggest issue I have with rooting and updating these old phones ( from 2014 or so vintage) is that there can be so many posts and some links don't work so it takes some research. I was using Lineage OS but google recently changed something with security updates or something - so Lineage dropped their OS from many many phones that were being officially supported for years to the newest Andoid versions. But you can still find the last versions and they work - and maybe since I don't do anything sensitive like banking or messaging much I don't have to worry about it. It is nice to be able to use these older phones that work great - just get rid of the manufacturers OS and it breathes new life into them. People really only get rid of them since the manufacturers quit updating the Android versions in them and then they are pressured to go to the latest and greatest phones. But the latest and greatest now have backs that don't open so you can replace a battery . The new phones are all glued together including the batteries so it is more of a pain to get them apart to replace it - need heat gun to loosen glue and pry them out. So it is just fun hacking the old stuff. I also do the same for older routers - use DDWRT or Fresh Tomato or others to get rid of manufacturers image which don't give you all the features and now force you to log in to their sites , etc. It is a real cat and mouse game with stuff like tablets from Amazon - which they sell cheap and they don't like it when people root their tablets and install different OS . Then Amazon will do some firmware update that will break the ability to root them, then the hackers figure out a new way to get around that , etc. The last tablets I did there is a method to install the new firmware but you need to open up the tablet and short a pin on a chip inside - ha ha - works ! I am just glad there are smart people out there who figure out how to do all this stuff and share it.
Seems like you make the most out of technology 'castaways', Larry! Not sure I have your patience & determination :). It's interesting to contrast changes in the solar tech vs electronic tech. Inverters and solar panels from 2 decades ago still work just as intended, perhaps diminished in efficiency, but still capable. Yes, new equipment is more efficient and has more options, but that doesn't render the older equipment useless. Electronic tech on the other hand does become useless, whether it's due to software changes by the manufacturer or infrastructure hardware/software changes that the older tech does not contain. The first solar system I built in 1999, 100 watt panels, Trace 4048 inverter, 8 - 12 volt batteries making a 48v system, is still in production! I'm sure the batteries have been changed, but the 3rd owner in 25 years is still reaping the benefits of that hardware w/out any other upgrades/replacements!!! I'm wary of any solar equipment that may require constant software upgrade to do its primary function or can be controlled by a Utility. Software/firmware enhancements are great and appreciated, but if required, then no.
Dave
Yes I understand what you are saying - some stuff just keeps going.
Some of us local ham radio operators dug out our packet radio modems from the late 1980's and they still work just as good now as then. We used them to communicate via "text" messages over radio before most anyone had heard of internet. Now we have a packet radio network running over 200 miles again ( though not many people use it - ha ha - 1200 baud too slow .
Regarding patience - I just picked up another Motorola android phone. Even though I had installed new OS on them many times in past , this one wouldn't take the update because a driver had changed. It took me many hours over a couple days before I found and figured out how to find and install the correct driver on my windows computer. Then it was just smooth sailing !
Larry
Quote from: FNG on July 18, 2024, 08:35:58 AMThe beta app should be pulling 24.06.03.01 from the server
I'm having the same/similar issue. Using the Midnite beta upgrade tool on Android, it says "Alert, you are running newest version" on my mngp2 and Rosie. I'm at the following versions:
Rosie: 24.03.15
MNGP2: 24.03.29
Quote from: Brucey on July 23, 2024, 07:35:35 PMQuote from: FNG on July 18, 2024, 08:35:58 AMThe beta app should be pulling 24.06.03.01 (tel:24.06.03.01) from the server
I'm having the same/similar issue. Using the Midnite beta upgrade tool on Android, it says "Alert, you are running newest version" on my mngp2 and Rosie. I'm at the following versions:
Rosie: 24.03.15
MNGP2: 24.03.29
Actually, that's the same result I received initially. But I had downloaded a newer Beta for my old Rosie, so I tried again, and on the 3rd attempt, I got the 'can't connect to the Server' message. Now that's all I get. Has the Beta app ever actually worked for you, I.e. found a software newer than what you were using and done an upgrade? I'm guessing it has because your MNGP2 software is a Beta number; the latest Production software is from Feb 2024.
I'm sorry you are getting 'almost' the same thing, but at least it appears it's not 'just me', so maybe somebody else will chime in.
Dave
Quote from: aaapilot on July 23, 2024, 09:00:09 PMQuote from: Brucey on July 23, 2024, 07:35:35 PMQuote from: FNG on July 18, 2024, 08:35:58 AMThe beta app should be pulling 24.06.03.01 (tel:24.06.03.01) from the server
I'm having the same/similar issue. Using the Midnite beta upgrade tool on Android, it says "Alert, you are running newest version" on my mngp2 and Rosie. I'm at the following versions:
Rosie: 24.03.15
MNGP2: 24.03.29
Actually, that's the same result I received initially. But I had downloaded a newer Beta for my old Rosie, so I tried again, and on the 3rd attempt, I got the 'can't connect to the Server' message. Now that's all I get. Has the Beta app ever actually worked for you, I.e. found a software newer than what you were using and done an upgrade? I'm guessing it has because your MNGP2 software is a Beta number; the latest Production software is from Feb 2024.
I'm sorry you are getting 'almost' the same thing, but at least it appears it's not 'just me', so maybe somebody else will chime in.
Dave
I did successfully upgrade the mngp2 with the beta tool, no luck on the Rosie, that's running what it shipped with. Not a huge deal breaker it's working fine for me as is.
Quote from: Brucey on July 24, 2024, 03:53:57 AMI did successfully upgrade the mngp2 with the beta tool, no luck on the Rosie, that's running what it shipped with. Not a huge deal breaker it's working fine for me as is.
Based on your Rosie firmware, your Rosie is new. Mine is too, produced 2Q24, #7205. Yours is likely newer. I'm wondering if the issue is with these newer machines, perhaps something with the CANBUS card? Midnite would know if they've changed any of the internal hardware/software. Maybe Midnite could test a newer machine in their lab to ensure the Beta app works on these? :) :) :)
Also, which Android phone & version are you using? Mine is an LG Stylus 3+ running Android 7.0. Hopefully we can work out this issue collectively!
Dave
Quote from: aaapilot on July 24, 2024, 09:18:44 AMQuote from: Brucey on July 24, 2024, 03:53:57 AMI did successfully upgrade the mngp2 with the beta tool, no luck on the Rosie, that's running what it shipped with. Not a huge deal breaker it's working fine for me as is.
Based on your Rosie firmware, your Rosie is new. Mine is too, produced 2Q24, #7205. Yours is likely newer. I'm wondering if the issue is with these newer machines, perhaps something with the CANBUS card? Midnite would know if they've changed any of the internal hardware/software. Maybe Midnite could test a newer machine in their lab to ensure the Beta app works on these? :) :) :)
Also, which Android phone & version are you using? Mine is an LG Stylus 3+ running Android 7.0. Hopefully we can work out this issue collectively!
Dave
So it's not a newly built unit, April 2023, Midnite opened her up and updated the firmware prior to shipping which was a nice touch. Serial #6670. Bought from Stellavolta, shipped from Washington
Using a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra running Android 14. I have a work iPhone I can try also but will have to wait till later can't interrupt the wife's afternoon streaming with a Rosie reboot :)
oh mine is the mobile version if that matters
I wouldn't worry about interrupting your bride's viewing habits :). Well, I WOULD worry about it, but in this case, the iPhone app can only update Production firmware, not Beta. Your Rosie is running the latest Production and your MNGP2 has a more recent Beta, so the iPhone won't find a more recent firmware update. No ripple in the Force on the home front! LOL
Dave
Quote from: aaapilot on July 24, 2024, 01:52:56 PMI wouldn't worry about interrupting your bride's viewing habits :). Well, I WOULD worry about it, but in this case, the iPhone app can only update Production firmware, not Beta. Your Rosie is running the latest Production and your MNGP2 has a more recent Beta, so the iPhone won't find a more recent firmware update. No ripple in the Force on the home front! LOL
Dave
Thanks for the tip on the iPhone not having beta firmware option. I'm not planning on AC coupling or general grid interaction so production should be fine. Hoping to hook it up to the whole house panel this weekend, only been running off a 20A 120V power strip to begin with.