Wiz Bang Jr

Started by kitestrings, April 28, 2016, 10:35:09 AM

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kitestrings

Hi Folks,

I finally got a few minutes to read up and watch the videos on the WBJr.  It looks to be a pretty slick set up and presentation of battery bank condition.  And, we have an existing, unused shunt in our DC load panel (OB, PS2DC).  Unfortunately in our system - we have two Classics on a wind system - we're using both of the Aux2 outputs.  One is set for Waste Not - Hi (aka Louie-Louie) and diverts opportunity load to water [pre-] heating, the second one is used for our homemade clipper (load bank).

I assume that WBJr cannot be used on Aux1.  Just wondered if there were any other options that we might consider.  I suppose one day we could upgrade our solar CC (OB MX60) to a Classic, but it otherwise "ain't broke".

Thx for any thoughts.  Kindly, ~ks

tecnodave

Ks,

Correct in the WBjr cannot be used with Aux1.     It needs the PWM input of Aux2 to read the data,
No easy fix for you to use the WBjr,

td
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#2 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24 volt L-16 Interstate,Brutus Inv.
#3 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 4/6 P
#4 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 2S 2/3 P

dgd

Ks,

The slower PWM available at AUX1 appears to work quite well with the Midnite Clipper so I should imagine that it would be good for your clipper design. I assume you are using the CLIPPER CONTROL setting on AUX2 but there is the same setting available on AUX1.
If its not you should update the Classic firmware.

So you could free up the AUX2 on one Classic and use it for the WBjr
Of course I'm assuming you have not used up the AUX1s for other reasons.

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

CDN-VT

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Quote from: kitestrings on April 28, 2016, 10:35:09 AM
Hi Folks,

I finally got a few minutes to read up and watch the videos on the WBJr.  It looks to be a pretty slick set up and presentation of battery bank condition.  And, we have an existing, unused shunt in our DC load panel (OB, PS2DC).  Unfortunately in our system - we have two Classics on a wind system - we're using both of the Aux2 outputs.  One is set for Waste Not - Hi (aka Louie-Louie) and diverts opportunity load to water [pre-] heating, the second one is used for our homemade clipper (load bank).

I assume that WBJr cannot be used on Aux1.  Just wondered if there were any other options that we might consider.  I suppose one day we could upgrade our solar CC (OB MX60) to a Classic, but it otherwise "ain't broke".

Thx for any thoughts.  Kindly, ~ks

So why can't you use AUX 1 for clipper & AUX2 for WBjr ?
I'm not getting it, you have an MT AUX 1  .

I'll need to look at mine real hard to figure . I know AUX2 is only WBjr . Because that's only where it shows up in the menu.

This I need to see , I'll be back after a check in 10 min
vt
Well I have mine in solar , so I'll fire up a spare in Wind turbine CC mode tomorrow .
Im sure I did see info more than Aux1 just in solar mode , I stumbled over clipper & a way to govern the power , or move it where needed . This was a year plus ago .
VT
Canadian Solar 350W 37.6 VOC  30.6 VMP 8.22 ISC 7.87 IMP ,-15 c +30c max  4 strings in 2 in Series for 24v Classic 150 -1020 Ah  Freezers & fridges ~~~ Second Array same panels of 3sx3 parallel for 24 V Classic 150 -440 Ah Outback Barns & out blds.
48Vdc almost done,11Strings up of 3s11P same panels

kitestrings

QuoteThe slower PWM available at AUX1 appears to work quite well with the Midnite Clipper so I should imagine that it would be good for your clipper design. I assume you are using the CLIPPER CONTROL setting on AUX2 but there is the same setting available on AUX1.

No, we're not using Clipper Control.  I've been using "PV V On High".  It probably would work on Aux1, but I don't think it would be as responsive or have the range of control that Aux2 offers.  That's been my experience with opportunity diversion anyway.

We're still on Classic Rev 1401; Network Rev 1194 - we need to upgrade again - but the MS Clipper was not available when we started out and as near as I can tell we would need two of them.  I'm not sure if Clipper Control would work with our homemade clipper.  There's no PC or adjustment controls in our - a breaker, resistors and a fan & thermostat - its pretty basic.

QuoteI'm not getting it, you have an MT AUX 1  .

I'm sorry I don't know what "MT" is.  We do have both Aux1 non-PWM relay available currently, but my plan had been to use one for a system furl when we reach float (rather than having the thing cycling power into the load bank).

It occurred to me that there is one other option, but it involves using the competitors products (hiss, gnarl).  We have an OB MX60 on the solar array.  I could add an Flexnet DC, but I would also have to get a "hub".

Thanks for the suggestions.

Vic

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Quote from: kitestrings on May 02, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
Quote
QuoteI'm not getting it, you have an MT AUX 1  .
...

   ...   I'm sorry I don't know what "MT" is. 

kite...,   I am afraid that this means "empty",   it is probably a Texting abbreviation,  but it IS also an abbreviation in Morse Code,  and is still used by old-time CW OPerators (like Hams).

But,  many times,  abbreviations do not travel well,  except for those few that have been in wide use for a long time ...   iMO ...    it's all good.

Vic
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CDN-VT

Im Sorry Kite , I should of spell it out fully .
MT was Empty as Vic posted .
I did have a look and Im stumped as well . But adding A WBjr on AUX2 and then use Aux 1 to relay diversion load on PV high / float ?
Canadian Solar 350W 37.6 VOC  30.6 VMP 8.22 ISC 7.87 IMP ,-15 c +30c max  4 strings in 2 in Series for 24v Classic 150 -1020 Ah  Freezers & fridges ~~~ Second Array same panels of 3sx3 parallel for 24 V Classic 150 -440 Ah Outback Barns & out blds.
48Vdc almost done,11Strings up of 3s11P same panels

kitestrings

"MT"  Too funny ;D.  I get that I didn't get it.  I'll be over here with my glass half MT.  Thanks again for the responses.  Kindly, ~ks

CDN-VT

Kite , let me freshen your glass , What may i touch it up with ?

VT
Canadian Solar 350W 37.6 VOC  30.6 VMP 8.22 ISC 7.87 IMP ,-15 c +30c max  4 strings in 2 in Series for 24v Classic 150 -1020 Ah  Freezers & fridges ~~~ Second Array same panels of 3sx3 parallel for 24 V Classic 150 -440 Ah Outback Barns & out blds.
48Vdc almost done,11Strings up of 3s11P same panels

russ_drinkwater

Australian joke.
How do you spell hungry horse in 4 letters?

MTGG

Semi off topic :-[
Standalone. 20 Hyundai x 220 watts panels, 2 x classic 150's, Latronics 24 volt 3kw inverter, Whiz bang Jnr, 12 Rolls surrete  4KS 25P  batteries and WBJ.
Grid tie feed-in, 12.5 kw in 3 arrays generating 50 kws per day average. Solar river grid tie inverters

CDN-VT

I was expecting
H2SO4 in fresh version
Canadian Solar 350W 37.6 VOC  30.6 VMP 8.22 ISC 7.87 IMP ,-15 c +30c max  4 strings in 2 in Series for 24v Classic 150 -1020 Ah  Freezers & fridges ~~~ Second Array same panels of 3sx3 parallel for 24 V Classic 150 -440 Ah Outback Barns & out blds.
48Vdc almost done,11Strings up of 3s11P same panels