Double datas

Started by SolarMusher, July 10, 2012, 12:02:40 PM

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boB

Quote from: Lya72 on August 04, 2012, 05:54:04 PM
Hi Erik,

I was having something like that, when I was pushing too quickly on the MNGP buttons.


Some informations on the LCD were not refreshed.

It was good when i push slowly.


Will have a new look at this, tomorrow in the morning, to confirm.

Yann


That might be part of it  (i.e.  pushbutton weirdness)  but the fact that the date was the same, (7-31-2012)
and the kW-Hours was 0.0 in one and 5.3 in the other double data and the time being the same is just
plane weird !

Erik, do you see this for several days in a row ??

I do know that the index number (4, 5, 6) does not always increment or decrement properly so ignore that for
the moment.

What it looks like is happening is that it is triggering and storing and clearing the data and writing it one more
time with the cleared data.   After the Classic saves the daily data, it is supposed to lock out any more data
saves for that day, right after it saves the data.

Maybe a better question is, do you always see one of the double data points show 0.0  ???

Thanks,
boB

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SolarMusher

Hi boB,
QuoteErik, do you see this for several days in a row ??
No, not several days in a row but from time to time. I have noted it when I change the EA settings to adjust it to my loads.
QuoteMaybe a better question is, do you always see one of the double data points show 0.0
Yes, when it happens, it's always been with 0.0 (and even sometime 0.0.0 with a cold beer  ;D).
Yann,
QuoteI was having something like that, when I was pushing too quickly on the MNGP buttons.
Yes you're right, I noticed that too, but when you find a double data, and push slowly up and down, datas are correct. In this case, it's a steady double data that didn't disappear even when gently pushed.
But, I'm sure that if I don't play with my settings for several days, Classic datas will be sober ;).
A+
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

Lya72

Hi all,

I'm also seeing double datas, even when pushing slowly on the buttons.

But for me, I don't play with the EA setting.

I'm also seing data on day 381, for a Classic that is less than two months old.

Pictures follows in a few hours.

Yann
1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)

SolarMusher

Yann, is it a Classic 200 (i don't remember)?
Also, what are these datas for day 381?
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

Lya72

#19
Yes Erik, it's a Classic 200, as your.

Enclosed Screenshots of Day1 and day 381 :

As you can see,  they are identical, except the day number.

Yann
1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)

Lya72

More and more :

08/01/2012 : Image 4 and 5 with one with 0.0kwh

07/31/2012 : Image 6 and 7 with one with 0.0kwh
1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)

boB

Quote from: Lya72 on August 05, 2012, 02:29:23 PM
Yes Erik, it's a Classic 200, as your.

Enclosed Screenshots of Day1 and day 381 :

As you can see,  they are identical, except the day number.

Yann

I think that 381 is really an index of 1.   That index can be off by one and 381 and 1 are really next to each other.
I will fix the index.  For now, trust the date instead.  The index would not even be there except that sometimes you
might want to see how far from "today" you are and if the time and/or date is "invalid", you would have no idea
where you were.

Sorry you guys are having to do any of this.  But with your input which I really appreciate, we will get it fixed.

As for double data while playing with EA, that might be a clue actually !  Thanks !

boB
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Lya72

OK Bob,

If you really appreciate our contribution, we will continue to play with you :

You're right, the index is for the computer guys,  so we will trust the date.

Day7 and Day 8 have the same date, and production, but two records with 1.6Kw for the Day

Humm....

If you play a lot with the up and down arrows, you are having Day9 and .... Day9 with two different dates and two different productions.


BOB, please don't flame me, it was before the beers and ... without PhotoShop !

I was also surprised when I saw the latest screen, and I Had to go back on my Iphone pictures to verify that my memory was OK.

Before, you request the information, the Classic and the MNGP are playing with the latest firmware.


So, enjoy our pictures and give us new screens for our eyes ;-))

Thanks in advance.

Yann

So, 

1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)

boB

#23
Quote from: Lya72 on August 05, 2012, 04:14:03 PM
OK Bob,

If you really appreciate our contribution, we will continue to play with you :

You're right, the index is for the computer guys,  so we will trust the date.

Day7 and Day 8 have the same date, and production, but two records with 1.6Kw for the Day

Humm....

If you play a lot with the up and down arrows, you are having Day9 and .... Day9 with two different dates and two different productions.


BOB, please don't flame me, it was before the beers and ... without PhotoShop !

I was also surprised when I saw the latest screen, and I Had to go back on my Iphone pictures to verify that my memory was OK.

Before, you request the information, the Classic and the MNGP are playing with the latest firmware.


So, enjoy our pictures and give us new screens for our eyes ;-))

Thanks in advance.

Yann

So,


The double data, same date with different data (kW-hours here)  is definitely what I would call double data.
The data is getting saved to EEprom twice.  But is that being saved one right after the other ?  Or is it
happening spaced apart in time more ??  I believe it is happening one right after the other.

I believe the big question is this...  Have any of you seen double data with the extra data with other than
0.0 kW-Hours ??  If it is always 0.0 kW-Hours on the extra one, then the extra date data is most
likely happening immediately after the first one. i.e. also at midnight. That will tell a lot and make it easier to fix.

Looks like your top two pictures showing kW-Hours of 1.6  showing index 7 and 8 is the index issue.
i.e.  pressing the button changed the index which comes from the MNGP but did not request new
data from the Classic itself.  That's one thing I have to fix.

Same thing for the bottom two photos is looks like with both dates showing index of day 9.
The dates and kW-hours are different and so the Day 9 index is what is not being truthful
in those photos.

I know about the index (day 1, day 2, day 3 etc) problem is in the MNGP.

The double data with same date but with different kW-Hour information is originating in the Classic.

I was mentioning the index number because of the 381 showing up with yesterday's date.
That is most likely the index number problem.  BUT, if the index of 381 shows up all of the time
and is perfectly repeatable, then, that may also be a clue !

Thanks for all the input !

boB




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SolarMusher

QuoteSorry you guys are having to do any of this.
Hi boB,
That's not the most important problem in the world, I can live with it ;).
One could know these values for a given date and that's enough for me.
My Classic works pretty well!
A+
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator