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"Lithium battery" mode

Started by laszlo, January 26, 2025, 02:56:50 PM

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laszlo

I saw a video review of the "Flo 5" on youtube where a guy  was setting the pack to be running in "lithium battery" mode for a discharge test over a shunt.

Other options were, "MidniteSolar battery" mode, and "Pylon" mode.

What was this app?

Can you tell us about the "Midnite battery" and the "Lithium battery" modes?

Specifically,  whether the battery can be charged/discharged as a normal battery without any additional comms protocol required?



4.6KW offgrid PV system, Classic 200, MX60, dual Magnum PAE 4448 inverters, Midnite combiner and disconnect boxes, e-panel,  WBJr, and 8 MN SPDs

ClassicCrazy

do you have a link for the video ?

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

FNG

Quote from: laszlo on January 26, 2025, 02:56:50 PMI saw a video review of the "Flo 5" on youtube where a guy  was setting the pack to be running in "lithium battery" mode for a discharge test over a shunt.

Other options were, "MidniteSolar battery" mode, and "Pylon" mode.

What was this app?

Can you tell us about the "Midnite battery" and the "Lithium battery" modes?

Specifically,  whether the battery can be charged/discharged as a normal battery without any additional comms protocol required?





That sounds like the Midnite Pro app that is used to program the AIO inverter, It supports many different battery types so it has Lithium NO BMS communication mode IE Open Loop, Or Midnite Battery mode for closed loop with the PF5 and 16, It also has a Pylon mode to closed loop with other batteries that are NOT PF5 or 16

laszlo

The video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ju3ucBl1qA
(author Adam Lay)

I appreciate yall's comments.

My friendly advice to Robin and Bob would be to partner with a freight company so as to make the transport of this storage device more affordable. I got a freight shipping estimate of $320 for this battery from Current Connected, at https://www.currentconnected.com .

Just like the curious history of  Magnum Inverters, nothing fails like success, and  Midnite should seize the emerging storage market which will be dominated by Chinese batteries, which usually ship for free.


4.6KW offgrid PV system, Classic 200, MX60, dual Magnum PAE 4448 inverters, Midnite combiner and disconnect boxes, e-panel,  WBJr, and 8 MN SPDs

ClassicCrazy

Maybe some of the less quality cheap batteries ship for free, but most of the better brand name batteries charge something like you mentioned for shipping since they need to ship by freight .
If you want to build your own battery you can get cells shipped for free from places since they pack them  up four in a box and that way can ship via fed ex ground mulitple packages. But as soon as you make a 100 to 300 pound battery you need to ship freight and put it on a pallet , etc so costs go  up. But by the time you add up costs for cells, a bms, a breaker, the case, and wiring - a person could make the argument that it isn't worth it if you don't have the time or skills to put it all together for the few hundred dollars saved.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

laszlo

The argument I am making is a business argument, arguing for the merits of joining a distribution network such as SpeedPAK or some other reasonably priced network. I think the old distributor/dealer model is over because everything is done online now.

There is a new industrial revolution about energy storage.  This is not about saving 300 bucks for the cost of freight, but about leadership.

Midnite has been really smart from the get-go by manufacturing balance of the system components such as combiner boxes, breakers, and disconnects. They showed an ability to learn, scale, and become an indispensable part of the industry mainly because of the cheap good fast principle - they hit all three targets.

Just saying there is an opportunity here.

 
4.6KW offgrid PV system, Classic 200, MX60, dual Magnum PAE 4448 inverters, Midnite combiner and disconnect boxes, e-panel,  WBJr, and 8 MN SPDs