Local App - SNAFU :-|

Started by dgd, February 03, 2013, 07:51:13 PM

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Westbranch

KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
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SolarMusher

#91
QuoteAfter a contact with the batteries vendor, today, he asked me charge the batteries with 1A for 50-60 hours to desulfate them
Yann,
Advices that were given here, came from guys with several years (decades) of experience in off-grid or back-up battery system, you'd better listen to them... :'(
Not sure that your dealer really knows what he's talking about...
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

Westbranch

Yann, you said,

He also asked me precises logs for the values during each charge stage with the Classic, to match these with my voltages logs.


I would take what he said to mean he wants the Voltage setting in the Classic for Absorb  and Float  and the time limits that each has been set at, ie the min and max time for each, so that he can compare them to you Vlog graphs.

I don't think that a 1 Amp charge rate will do anything...it is probably less than the natural depletion rate of those batteries. I have never heard of such a low rate used for desulphating, unless it has a high frequency spike added to it that flows in reverse...
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

Halfcrazy

Yeah 1 amp for 2-3 days wont do much for a Flooded cell In my opinion.

Anytime I have tried to recover sulfated batteries I go for the shock of full current. If the manufacturer says I can charge at 100 amps I hit them with 100 amps

Ryan
Changing the way wind turbines operate one smoke filled box at a time

Lya72

Yes, I understand all your advices, but we are at the end of the two years garantie and I will follow the recommandations of the vendor, who is also the batteries maker.

What's the minimal SG must I obtain to say that the batteries are recovered (1.26 ?)

If I can't obtain that level, the batteries will be replaced.

Yann
1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)

Westbranch

Yann, I looked but the Manufacturers documents are all in one or another of the European languages...  You should be able to find the charging specifications from them..  The Manufacturer sets the SG and charging specs.

HTH
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

Lya72


This morning at 07:30AM, after 40 hours of big charging followed by 24 hours of slow charging,  a little 1.25 SG with, I confirm 1A as seen on the charger ampmeter.


WestBranch,

I can just find these features on the MIDAC EV6T :

MAIN TECHNICAL FEATURES:
=========================
• Tubular positive plates
• Grids with radial geometry reticule
• Active material with specific composition to react
against the cycles stress
• Grids with Pb/Sb/Sn/As/Se alloy which assures
the resistance against corrosion and performs the
optimal contact with the active materials
• Micro-porous rubber separators coupled with
glass wool mat, suitable to avoid the shedding of
active material

DURABILITY:
===========
• 1200 cycles according to DIN 43 539 (3)


Have you seen links where they speak about charging methods ?


Thanks,

Yann
1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)

SolarMusher

#97
QuoteWhat's the minimal SG must I obtain to say that the batteries are recovered (1.26 ?)
You'd better ask your dealer and in the same time ask for absorb time/voltage to set the Classic for these batteries.
Don't you say that he is the manufacturer?
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

Westbranch

Yann, you asked:
[Have you seen links where they speak about charging methods ?/i]

No I could not find any..

Erik, the co, appears to manufacture/sell all over Europe.  Web sites in several languages
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

SolarMusher

I've seen it West, not realy useful.
Better ask these infos to his dealer, he should know that stuff better than us  8).
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

Lya72



This night at 23:30 (11:30PM), after 40 hours of big charging followed by 39 hours of slow charging,    SG : 1.26


I take a picture of each of the Classic menus. With that and with your notes, Erik, I will search for the values to change in which screen.


Thanks,


Yann
1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)

SolarMusher

#101
Yann,
Just my opinion, I would charge it until SG stop rising for 1/4hr-20mn.
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

dgd

#102
Quote from: Westbranch on February 12, 2013, 11:37:05 AM
Yann, you asked:
[Have you seen links where they speak about charging methods ?/i]

No I could not find any..

Erik, the co, appears to manufacture/sell all over Europe.  Web sites in several languages

I asked my battery supplier  if he had ever seen the Midac EV6T 6v/240Ah battery. Apparently he had replaced a couple from a Fiat campervan with 6v/235Ah r220s.  Italian made batteries, circular plate type, charge settings same as R220.
I don't know if they are same as R220s but seems a reasonable match.

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

Westbranch

BUMP....

Hi Yann, what is happening with the batteries on slow charge rate?
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

Lya72


Hi WestBranch,

NO bump, but perplexity !!

After 40 hours of big charging followed by 48 hours of slow charging,    SG topped at : 1.265
1 Classic 200, 4 SILLIA panels 240W in 2 strings of 2, ie 960Watts and 60.8 Volts, 4 MIDAC Batteries 6V 240Ah, ie 24V bank (acid batteries)