KID at max power output

Started by dgd, February 08, 2014, 05:31:38 PM

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dgd

How well does the KID cope with near maximum power throughput?
WHen are the temps as reported too high? above what readings?
I want to connect a 1.4Kw pv array to KID on 24v battery but that has the potential to produce way more than the 30amp max the KID can handle. So will the KID simply current limit its output at the 30amp limit with no ill effects?
The reason I am doing this is to get the 30A charge into battery bank but after the bank is in Float the power from the 1.4Kw array is SSR switched to a water heating element - a Classic 150 does this switching until the KID gets an AUX float high capability.

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

ClassicCrazy

system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

Westbranch

And a LIFETIME warranty too! Have no fear little Jedi... ::)
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

TomW

Quote from: Westbranch on February 10, 2014, 12:28:57 PM
And a LIFETIME warranty too! Have no fear little Jedi... ::)

Yes, if history teaches anything here that may be a dangerous guarantee!

Been known to blow stuff up for no good reason myself. :o

Tom
Do NOT mistake me for any kind of "expert".

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24 Trina 310 watt modules, SMA SunnyBoy 7.7 KW Grid Tie inverter.

I thought that they were angels, but much to my surprise, We climbed aboard their starship and headed for the skies

Halfcrazy

I say when in doubt try it!  :o
But thats just me.
The only thing the Kid can not protect itself from is over voltage.
Changing the way wind turbines operate one smoke filled box at a time

Westbranch

What was that Ross said about 5000 rounds of 7.62mm?? ::)
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

dgd

Typical.  Connected the 1.4kw array to KID then its cloudy weather for 2 days, max 560 watts input.
Should be cloudless by Friday then testing begins.
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

SolarMusher

#7
Hi all,
David, did you have success with you test?
I would need to be sure if I can connect a 500W PV array at 12V on the kid without problem.
Is there someone who have already done it in the beta kid's gang?
Is there a way to limit input current like in the classic?
String sizing tool told me that it's excessive and to add a second kid after 1.2
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

Halfcrazy

I am running 750 watts into a Kid on a 12v battery here. The Kid simply ignores the excess and only makes 30 amps
Changing the way wind turbines operate one smoke filled box at a time

SolarMusher

#9
Great,
Thank a lot Ryan.
So, no problemo with my little 34Amps array.
What about temp with your 750W array?
Are they available now? I've seen them "out of stock" in several webstore.
Erik
Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

dgd

Erik,

As Ryan said it just ignores the availability of more input power and limits the output to 30A.
Robin mentioned that there was some work underway to install a fan on a KID and that current outputs of 35 or 40A (or greater?) may be possible. (sort of reminds me of the MX60 where it could really be configured for 70A)
For those of us that fan noise was not an issue that extra 10A output would be very nice  :)

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

SolarMusher

Off Grid with 4kw PV | 2x Classic 200/WBjr | 2x Outback VFX3648 Epanel | 3x SPD300 + 1x Schneider HEPD80 | Hub + Mate + PSX-240 | Volthium 400Ah/51.2V LFP battery bank + Trimetric | 1500 watts AC water heater | Kubota 11kw GL diesel generator

philb

Is there a software adjustment to change the 30 amp output somewhere?  ::)

I have an external fan blowing on the kid that's configured through the daylight aux function in the classics. The fins get slightly warm.
Without it, the fins DO get warm enough I don't want keep my hand on it too long.
system one
7100 watts solar
 3 Classic 200's, Midnite battery monitor  Outback VFX 3524, 2 new forklift batteries

system two
1880 watts solar, classic 200, Outback VFX 3524
24 6 volt GC-2 cart batteries