Classic 150 Equalize Issues

Started by Resthome, December 30, 2014, 01:14:54 PM

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Vic

Hi John,

Personally,  always leave the EQ time set to 00:00,  and manually set the desired time when doing EQ,  and when done,  immediately set the time back to 00:00.

Yes this is a bit of a hassle,  and,  it needs to be done on each Classic on a system.

It would be nice to have this fixed.   Interactive bugs can be very difficult to find ...

Used to also set the EQ voltage to the lowest that it will go (equal to Vabs),  but this is not required,  as,  with the EQ time set to 00:00,  the Classic will NOT even start an EQ.  -  on its own,  or manually.

FWIW,   Good Luck,   Vic
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Resthome

Quote from: Vic on August 11, 2016, 07:22:45 PM
Hi John,

Personally,  always leave the EQ time set to 00:00,  and manually set the desired time when doing EQ,  and when done,  immediately set the time back to 00:00.

Yes this is a bit of a hassle,  and,  it needs to be done on each Classic on a system.

It would be nice to have this fixed.   Interactive bugs can be very difficult to find ...

Used to also set the EQ voltage to the lowest that it will go (equal to Vabs),  but this is not required,  as,  with the EQ time set to 00:00,  the Classic will NOT even start an EQ.  -  on its own,  or manually.

FWIW,   Good Luck,   Vic

Vic

Good suggestion.  But a pain to remember to set and reset a setting that you shouldn't have to. This problem has existed forever according to other posters. Maybe it isn't simple to set it to EQ STOP when the EQ timer ends. Obviously if set to EQ STOP it should not start an EQ process and I wouldn't have to set and reset the timers for EQ and new users wouldn't get tripped up by this behavior.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

boB

Thanks guys for your invaluable input.

This issue has been bumped to a very high level and is being worked on full time.

It is hard to catch it happen, especially when you are looking for it.

boB
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Resthome

Quote from: boB on August 12, 2016, 01:35:10 AM
Thanks guys for your invaluable input.

This issue has been bumped to a very high level and is being worked on full time.

It is hard to catch it happen, especially when you are looking for it.

boB

Thanks boB.

As always the best controllers and the best support on the planet.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

Vic

Will add one thing;

Always monitor the EQ process,  often setting the EQ Time to a value that is longer than the period of adequate PV power to complete the EQ.

Every time that navigating around the Menus appeared to cause an EQ to initiate on its own,  I  had Stopped the EQ manually,  rather than the EQ timer having timed-out.

These two different reasons that the EQ terminated,  might be handled a bit differently in the Classic FW (am still at Classic FW 1849 on all Classics,  here).

FWIW.   73,   Thanks for all the efforts,  boB.    DE   Vic
Off Grid - Sys 1: 2ea SW+ 5548, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH, 5.25 KW PV, Classic 150,WB, Beta Barcelona, Beta KID
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Resthome

#35
In my case, I've never seen the EQ process start on it's own when I had the EQ STOP set in the menu. It always been when I let the manual EQ terminate on it's set time and the EQ START is left in the menu after terminating the EQ due to reaching it's set allotted time . It can be the same day or the next day after the Auto RST at midnight that when in other menus and using the buttons on the MNGP that triggers the EQ again. And it may. Be the Tweak menu and setting the voltage offset, but not sure.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

boB

Thanks Rest Home.

So, there does appear to be more of an issue it looks like when Follow-Me is enabled and connected.

This is good because it narrows things down a bit.  Without F-me, the very rare occurrence of EQ
will be a bit tougher but we'll crack it.

boB
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Resthome

Quote from: boB on August 26, 2016, 03:27:04 AM
Thanks Rest Home.

So, there does appear to be more of an issue it looks like when Follow-Me is enabled and connected.

This is good because it narrows things down a bit.  Without F-me, the very rare occurrence of EQ
will be a bit tougher but we'll crack it.

boB

Thanks for the follow up boB.  In my case not using F-me, only have one controller on my system.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

Vic

Hi boB,

Had only seen this issue before FollowMe was implemented.  Have not seen it since using FM,  because always do a manual EQ,  and ALWAYS leave EQ Time set to 00:00 at all other times.

Realize that for those who feel that they must use Auto EQ,  this work-around will not work.

Thank you very much for looking into this.   73  Vic
Off Grid - Sys 1: 2ea SW+ 5548, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH, 5.25 KW PV, Classic 150,WB, Beta Barcelona, Beta KID
Sys 2: SW+ 5548s, 4KS25s, 5.88 KW PV, 2 ea. Classic 150, WB, HB CC-needs remote Monitoring/Control, site=remote.
 MN Bkrs/Bxs/Combiners. Thanks MN for Great Products/Svc/Support&This Forum!!

boB

Quote from: Vic on August 26, 2016, 03:44:43 PM
Hi boB,

Had only seen this issue before FollowMe was implemented.  Have not seen it since using FM,  because always do a manual EQ,  and ALWAYS leave EQ Time set to 00:00 at all other times.

Realize that for those who feel that they must use Auto EQ,  this work-around will not work.

Thank you very much for looking into this.   73  Vic

Making some progress here....

Interesting on EQ with no Follow Me with these software versions.

Thanks for this info.

boB
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Resthome

Quote from: boB on August 31, 2016, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: Vic on August 26, 2016, 03:44:43 PM
Hi boB,

Had only seen this issue before FollowMe was implemented.  Have not seen it since using FM,  because always do a manual EQ,  and ALWAYS leave EQ Time set to 00:00 at all other times.

Realize that for those who feel that they must use Auto EQ,  this work-around will not work.

Thank you very much for looking into this.   73  Vic

Making some progress here....

Interesting on EQ with no Follow Me with these software versions.

Thanks for this info.

boB

Good to hear boB.  After a timed out manual EQ. Try going to the Tweak menu and adjust Battery voltage offset and hit enter. Don't know if it matters if it is a positive or a negative number. Try both and see if that is what is starting it. I'll try to watch it this weekend but won't have any internet to communicate my results back to you until after Sept 13.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

boB

Haven't seen any activity here for a while.   My forum access has been on and off though lately.  Something about DNS routing issues...

So, I have some software that can help track the EQs.  If you are having problems often enough to warrant trying this out, please PM me.

Thanks,
boB
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Vic

Hi boB,

Thanks for working on this,  with ALL of the other Engineering projects needing time,  as well.

Will not ask for this new tracking software,  would not be a good tester,  as this is a very busy time of year,  getting ready for Winter.

For me,  not wanting or needing to do Auto EQ,  just leave EQ Time set to 00:00,   at ALL times,  except when doing the normal manual EQ,  and that does the trick.

Will need to update to the latest FW in all the Classics in use here,  very soon ...

Thanks!  73,   Vic
Off Grid - Sys 1: 2ea SW+ 5548, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH, 5.25 KW PV, Classic 150,WB, Beta Barcelona, Beta KID
Sys 2: SW+ 5548s, 4KS25s, 5.88 KW PV, 2 ea. Classic 150, WB, HB CC-needs remote Monitoring/Control, site=remote.
 MN Bkrs/Bxs/Combiners. Thanks MN for Great Products/Svc/Support&This Forum!!

Resthome

boB,

Unfortunately the wrong time of the year for me as my next time is to close up for the winter. I'll be glad to assist in the Spring if needed. I'll probably just do what Vic does for the winter months, even though I have never recorded it going into EQ while I am away during winter months.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

boB


Do you guys have Follow-Me enabled when the EQs happen ?

The fix that Ryan found is to simply disable Follow-Me on one Classic that you will call the "Master".
OR, disconnect the cable going from that Master TO the "slave" Classic.   Or both.

This appears to stop this from happening and Follow-Me still works.

boB
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