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Started by jmarc, December 02, 2016, 03:39:53 AM

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jmarc

Does the inverter or the installer dictate if the system is grounded or ungrounded? I was reading specs on a conext 2524 inverter and its a negative grounded system by default but has the option to lift the ground. Not sure which route to take. Grounded or ungrounded.

TomW

From my experience on a recently installing a grid tie system:

The inspector and the electrician were both adamant about grounding everything and then ground some more.

It seems to be that you cannot have too much grounding. Lots of bonding together, as well.

I am no expert just passing on what they required here.

Bottom line would be ask what the local inspector wants to see and then do that. Ask the manufacturer if the installer is not knowledgeable.

This is one of those questions that is best answered by a local expert rather than online because it is not really a simple question.

Tom
Do NOT mistake me for any kind of "expert".

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Halfcrazy

Typically speaking the grid tie inverter will be a grounded or ungrounded design and that drives this. Usually in a battery charging enviroment the system is grounded
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jmarc


sigp2101

Quote from: Halfcrazy on December 02, 2016, 02:32:19 PM
Typically speaking the grid tie inverter will be a grounded or ungrounded design and that drives this. Usually in a battery charging enviroment the system is grounded


So what happens when lightning hits in close proximity to grounded battery system. Will grounded system bring lightning into the house?
Off grid system:
3 X 230W 36V 8A SolarWorld in series,
Classic 150,
36V BB - 225Ah 6x6V Trojan T-105 T2,
3000W psw Inverter,
Fridge 159KWh/Y, 30W led lights, laptop, TV.

CDN-VT

YUP !
Too good of ground made my Sailboat have a sheet lightning strike , & many vessels around were plating my zincs .
I installed a ground detection & limiting unit .
Alana is 54' AWL of prego guppy

VT
Canadian Solar 350W 37.6 VOC  30.6 VMP 8.22 ISC 7.87 IMP ,-15 c +30c max  4 strings in 2 in Series for 24v Classic 150 -1020 Ah  Freezers & fridges ~~~ Second Array same panels of 3sx3 parallel for 24 V Classic 150 -440 Ah Outback Barns & out blds.
48Vdc almost done,11Strings up of 3s11P same panels

Resthome

Quote from: CDN-VT on December 08, 2016, 11:07:01 PM
YUP !
Too good of ground made my Sailboat have a sheet lightning strike , & many vessels around were plating my zincs .
I installed a ground detection & limiting unit .
Alana is 54' AWL of prego guppy

VT

And if you are plugged into shore power it gets a lot more interesting. And ELCI are recommended.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

CDN-VT

Yes the only time I had real problems was at one marina when someone had their vessel wired incorrectly & cause problems for many.   
We still got hit with lightning , but I didn't know it & I was a live-a-board in them years.
Canadian Solar 350W 37.6 VOC  30.6 VMP 8.22 ISC 7.87 IMP ,-15 c +30c max  4 strings in 2 in Series for 24v Classic 150 -1020 Ah  Freezers & fridges ~~~ Second Array same panels of 3sx3 parallel for 24 V Classic 150 -440 Ah Outback Barns & out blds.
48Vdc almost done,11Strings up of 3s11P same panels

sigp2101

Quote from: CDN-VT on December 08, 2016, 11:07:01 PM
YUP !
Too good of ground made my Sailboat have a sheet lightning strike , & many vessels around were plating my zincs .
I installed a ground detection & limiting unit .
Alana is 54' AWL of prego guppy

VT

I guess grounding in marine world would be called "watering" :0
Off grid system:
3 X 230W 36V 8A SolarWorld in series,
Classic 150,
36V BB - 225Ah 6x6V Trojan T-105 T2,
3000W psw Inverter,
Fridge 159KWh/Y, 30W led lights, laptop, TV.

Jacotenente

Def ground...with a short run, if possible. I had to bore a hole through my garage cement floor and then pound in a grounding rod. All my equipment has separate/dedicated ground cables to the rod with their own clamps. Works well. Electrician looked it all over, smiled, and simply said, "Cool!".

Chris

niel

grounding i am in favor of for many reasons. can you ground too much? maybe because if you are grounded that well compared to the rest of the environment it could by its very nature be more attracted to you. i'd rather take that chance and still ground everything because charges can build up on ungrounded systems and arc over can occur without even being hit by the lightning. all lightning suppression depends on having a ground. one does have to do it right though or you can make things worse. i summarize and say that if you don't know what you are doing with it and i can 2nd guess this by your even asking the question, then let professionals handle it.