New LiFePO4 installation charge parameters

Started by Muskoka, January 21, 2024, 04:23:31 PM

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Muskoka

#120
My Classic 150 Lite just suffered the "0" percent Soc. No idea why, went to check the Classic Monitor app on my phone and it shows 0% Soc, confirmed on the Classic itself. Ideas, how do I get the true state of the batts back, wait until next full charge cycle?

Should add, the bank isn't actually zero, should be around 50%.

Another thing that's odd, the Android app reports the Total Capacity of the bank to also be "0", I just checked in the Classic, and it's showing the correct amount, 280ah.
Off grid - 24v System - Eco Worthy LiFePO4 12V 280ah x2 - Classic Lite 150 with MNGP wBjr - 1540w solar -  12v System - Antra Power 12v 210ah LiFePO4 - Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 - 820w Solar - Honda / Firman generators

Muskoka

Did a VMM back to Flooded, reprogrammed the controller, all numbers reporting correctly now, of course the SOC isn't accurate, but it's working. Looks like Monday before the sun returns.
Off grid - 24v System - Eco Worthy LiFePO4 12V 280ah x2 - Classic Lite 150 with MNGP wBjr - 1540w solar -  12v System - Antra Power 12v 210ah LiFePO4 - Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 - 820w Solar - Honda / Firman generators

mahendra

Quote from: Muskoka on April 12, 2024, 06:17:35 AMDid a VMM back to Flooded, reprogrammed the controller, all numbers reporting correctly now, of course the SOC isn't accurate, but it's working. Looks like Monday before the sun returns.

yes, nothing is 100%, But that accuracy takes time to calibrate with any SOC.
Might take some tweaking around but it can be achieved
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,123SmartBMS bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648

Muskoka

#123
That's why I mentioned no sun till Monday, once I'm back to 100% after a full charge it will sort itself out. At least it always has since I installed this CC close to 15 years ago, time flies. ;)

Hopefully this 0% soc "bug" can be sorted out so we can set "Lithium" after a VMM. Funny, or I suppose not so funny, how it worked fine for quite some time, well over a month with the updated firmware, then acted up out of nowhere.
Off grid - 24v System - Eco Worthy LiFePO4 12V 280ah x2 - Classic Lite 150 with MNGP wBjr - 1540w solar -  12v System - Antra Power 12v 210ah LiFePO4 - Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 - 820w Solar - Honda / Firman generators

ClassicCrazy

I had the 0% SOC when I first installed the lithium firmware, but it went back to normal the next day and has been fine ever since.

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

boB


This is weird.   I know of one Classic 150 that still shows 0% SOC with this newer 3798 and 3800 version software nearby here in AZ.  I'm looking into it but so far I do not see a reason.  Probably just 150s then ?  That does not make sense either.  Most of the software is the same for all genres of Classics except for current and voltage limits pretty much.

Muskoka, please keep us posted, especially on Monday.

It is sunny here in the Phoenix area but supposed to be 92 today.

boB
K7IQ 🌛  He/She/Me

Muskoka

#126
Will do, ya it's odd because the soc has been fine since I installed the new firmware Feb 5th.

I'm back on Flooded, do you want me to switch back to Lithium again?
Off grid - 24v System - Eco Worthy LiFePO4 12V 280ah x2 - Classic Lite 150 with MNGP wBjr - 1540w solar -  12v System - Antra Power 12v 210ah LiFePO4 - Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 - 820w Solar - Honda / Firman generators

boB

Quote from: Muskoka on April 12, 2024, 12:05:31 PMWill do, ya it's odd because the soc has been fine since I installed the new firmware March 6th.

I'm back on Flooded, do you want me to switch back to Lithium again?

Well, it shouldn't make any difference but sure.  Give it a try.  Let's see if battery type matters

K7IQ 🌛  He/She/Me

Muskoka

#128
Got sun today, soc not acting correct, total ah of the bank was set correctly, then reverted back to 400ah on it's own.

I've switched back to Flooded, everything seems stable, working better, in that mode. At least when I set the bank ah to 280 it stays there. It's more important to me that I know, or at least have an accurate count of ah in, ah out, so I'll leave it on Flooded for now. I can't use my system blindly, I need accurate soc, ah counts, in, out.
Off grid - 24v System - Eco Worthy LiFePO4 12V 280ah x2 - Classic Lite 150 with MNGP wBjr - 1540w solar -  12v System - Antra Power 12v 210ah LiFePO4 - Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 - 820w Solar - Honda / Firman generators

boB

OK thank you Muskoka.

My 200 here is in Lithium mode and SOC appears to run fine.

The capacity is set to 100 Amp-Hours and has not changed back to 400.

Weird stuff happening but SOC "should" not change the way it works.

Will figure it out before we release it.

I really appreciate your help.

boB
K7IQ 🌛  He/She/Me

Mike W

Hi boB,
When on the boat this winter I updated to the lithium code on my 150s. I did the VMM.  Since then SOC remains steadfastly at 0. Battery capacity is correct at 440Ah but SOC will not change from 0. Everything else seems to work correctly as far as I could see.
Now off the boat and back home.
Mike

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: Mike W on April 28, 2024, 11:31:23 AMHi boB,
When on the boat this winter I updated to the lithium code on my 150s. I did the VMM.  Since then SOC remains steadfastly at 0. Battery capacity is correct at 440Ah but SOC will not change from 0. Everything else seems to work correctly as far as I could see.
Now off the boat and back home.
Mike
Maybe try another VMM and see if it changes the next time batteries fill up.
My 150 had the 0 percent but then it went back to normal functioning. I am just speculating I had done a few VMM and maybe that helped fix it.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

mahendra

If VMM does not work you might want to check the wbjr.
I had one that kinda failed but appears to work .
It is on one of these threads
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,123SmartBMS bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648