Battery problems, solar panel problems, controller issues oh my

Started by qrper, January 19, 2026, 12:37:48 PM

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qrper

This started simple in 2025. Two of my US Battery L16 clones went belly up. I'm trying to cook'em and see if I can't get them to come back to the living. So far, no joy.

Then, I noticed that the incoming solar current was way off. Normally on a cold January day under a bright blue sky, I'd max out the classic at 83A. Today, nice blue skies, 4ºF and I see 27A. Something wrong here! It's too damn cold to check connections, and i suspect a few panels may have failed. These were used from SanTan and today when I went out to check them, on the bottom buss bars they're covered with green stuff. So apparently water has made it inside the panels.

I've learned enough about used panels so I'm not going to do that again. I have been daydreaming of some new 550W panels. Ten of those would max out the Hawk's Bay.

If I were to order more panels, say a 12, I was thinking of putting those extra 2 back onto the classic 150 across the same battery—that would be an extra 1100W for basically zero cost except for the panels. It's just a cheap to truck 12 as it is 10 panels.

My question would be if I did that would I release the Kracken? Demons would raise from the basement? Or would the Classic and Hawk's Bay play nicely together?

As for the batteries, I guess I'm going to have to drink the Koolaid and go with lithium this time around. A lot of small issues need to be address however. Like the garage where the batteries live in is about 7ºF this afternoon.

I've been sitting in the greenhouse today, enjoying the aroma of the green plants and dreaming of solar.

Mike
System one: 7kWp w/ Trina 250 W panels @90 Vdc. Classic 150 to 16-6 V U.S batteries. Trace 5548 sine wave inverter.
System two: 6kWp grid tie with solaredge inverter.
System three: Midnite Brat, two 120 W Astropower modules, 100 Ah battery. Runs the LED streetlight in the back yard.

ClassicCrazy

I have a Classic and a Hawkes Bay both charging the same batteries. It works fine. You may have to tweak the settings a bit in the Classic . But no problem .  They aren't linked together , just two independent controllers charging.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

aaapilot

I'll second what Larry said.  Also run a Classic 200 & HB to charge the same battery bank, works great.

Dave
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qrper

Quote from: aaapilot on January 19, 2026, 11:13:00 PMI'll second what Larry said.  Also run a Classic 200 & HB to charge the same battery bank, works great.

Dave

Thanks, I kinda figured they might work together but wasn't sure.

Right now, looking for new solar panels. I'm not going to drive down the same road and get used panels again.

mike
System one: 7kWp w/ Trina 250 W panels @90 Vdc. Classic 150 to 16-6 V U.S batteries. Trace 5548 sine wave inverter.
System two: 6kWp grid tie with solaredge inverter.
System three: Midnite Brat, two 120 W Astropower modules, 100 Ah battery. Runs the LED streetlight in the back yard.

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: qrper on January 20, 2026, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: aaapilot on January 19, 2026, 11:13:00 PMI'll second what Larry said.  Also run a Classic 200 & HB to charge the same battery bank, works great.

Dave

Thanks, I kinda figured they might work together but wasn't sure.

Right now, looking for new solar panels. I'm not going to drive down the same road and get used panels again.

mike


If you are putting the panels on a ground mount , look for bifacial. They really do pretty good in the winter with snow reflecting light on the back of them. I got some this past summer for around 23 cents a watt and $200 flat rate shipping for a pallet. Sometimes signature solar has some good deals - or at least they did last summer.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

qrper

Quote from: ClassicCrazy on January 20, 2026, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: qrper on January 20, 2026, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: aaapilot on January 19, 2026, 11:13:00 PMI'll second what Larry said.  Also run a Classic 200 & HB to charge the same battery bank, works great.

Dave

Thanks, I kinda figured they might work together but wasn't sure.

Right now, looking for new solar panels. I'm not going to drive down the same road and get used panels again.

mike


If you are putting the panels on a ground mount , look for bifacial. They really do pretty good in the winter with snow reflecting light on the back of them. I got some this past summer for around 23 cents a watt and $200 flat rate shipping for a pallet. Sometimes signature solar has some good deals - or at least they did last summer.
Larry

I've been thinking that might be the way to go. However, that being said, here is a large barn right up against the solar panels, and even with a good Ohio snow storm, very little snow gets under the panels. There isn't much of a price difference between the two, and my thinking is why not use the bifical panels.

System one: 7kWp w/ Trina 250 W panels @90 Vdc. Classic 150 to 16-6 V U.S batteries. Trace 5548 sine wave inverter.
System two: 6kWp grid tie with solaredge inverter.
System three: Midnite Brat, two 120 W Astropower modules, 100 Ah battery. Runs the LED streetlight in the back yard.

qrper

Quote from: qrper on January 21, 2026, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on January 20, 2026, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: qrper on January 20, 2026, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: aaapilot on January 19, 2026, 11:13:00 PMI'll second what Larry said.  Also run a Classic 200 & HB to charge the same battery bank, works great.

Dave

Thanks, I kinda figured they might work together but wasn't sure.

Right now, looking for new solar panels. I'm not going to drive down the same road and get used panels again.

mike


If you are putting the panels on a ground mount , look for bifacial. They really do pretty good in the winter with snow reflecting light on the back of them. I got some this past summer for around 23 cents a watt and $200 flat rate shipping for a pallet. Sometimes signature solar has some good deals - or at least they did last summer.
Larry

I've been thinking that might be the way to go. However, that being said, here is a large barn right up against the solar panels, and even with a good Ohio snow storm, very little snow gets under the panels. There isn't much of a price difference between the two, and my thinking is why not use the bifical panels.

The attached photo is the battery/off grid solar array. About 7.5kWp



System one: 7kWp w/ Trina 250 W panels @90 Vdc. Classic 150 to 16-6 V U.S batteries. Trace 5548 sine wave inverter.
System two: 6kWp grid tie with solaredge inverter.
System three: Midnite Brat, two 120 W Astropower modules, 100 Ah battery. Runs the LED streetlight in the back yard.

ClassicCrazy

Just paint the end of the barn white and you will get plenty of reflection.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP