grounding and arc fault

Started by mahendra, January 18, 2013, 09:32:49 PM

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mahendra

hi i currently use a classic 150 and have my pv arrays grounds on a separate ground rod and the classic charge controller, panels and inverter grounded to another ground rod does this affect the ground fault protection? if yes what should i do?
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

Watt

Here is a bit of reading for you.

http://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2012/04/installation-practices-keep-your-pv-system-well-grounded/

Kinda hard to answer your question without knowing what your system is and what it's layout is.  Might draw a picture with measurements to give a better idea.

That link gives a description of ground faults.

boB


I don't think you will have a problem unless PV positive touches ground somehow.
That would be a ground fault.

If you aren't getting a ground fault, I wouldn't worry about it.

Now, someone else may come by here with a reason why it could happen but I
think you're going to be OK.

boB
K7IQ 🌛  He/She/Me

Watt

Do you have batteries as part of your system?

mahendra

yes i have batteries to my system i am off grid
and i am not that good with drawings
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

mahendra

is it wise to put all grounding to a common grounding pole ?
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

boB

Quote from: mahendra on January 19, 2013, 02:21:23 PM
is it wise to put all grounding to a common grounding pole ?


That is normally what is done but if you can't, that's OK.

If the PV array is a ways away from the rest of your system, then it can have its own
grounding rod and also its own lightning protection (SPD) located near the array.

boB
K7IQ 🌛  He/She/Me

mahendra

well thanks a lot people that helped a lot .as for the spd i plan on adding them soon although i would have like to add them now but i cant because i don't have them yet.
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

cpm

Having read the former thread about how gfci does all these terrible things, frightening me into a near-standstill,

I read all this stuff,and wonder why it is that no one, even that nice article in Solar Power World ever bothers
with schematics anymore.

I was never fond of word problems in math class, and I'm really not fond of word problems in things like this,

Anyone care to give us a schematic to illustrate what they are talking about?

Just curious.

mahendra

well i can opt for a schematic as well too.that would be really nice.
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

Kent0

It isn't clear from your description what the grounding and wiring schematic would look like. But I've seen this done wrong so many times that it is worth adding the following to this topic.

1) Every remote structure, holding PV modules or just an outbuilding that is a load, should have a grounding electrode. There is an exception for a single ac branch circuit to a remote building.
2) The circuit between the PV array and the charge controller must have three wires: positive, negative, and ground. The ground fault protection will not work properly otherwise.
3) The negative conductor (or perhaps the positive one in some cases) should only be connected to ground in one location.