strange Simulator results in wire sizes

Started by Westbranch, December 01, 2011, 10:34:47 PM

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Westbranch

I just ran 2 scenarios on the simulator
1 - 3 strings of 4 panels
2 -  6 strings of 4 panels
Voc 22.2 Vmp 17.7  Isc 7.61 A Imp 7.06 125W

When I ran scenario 1, I was given a minimum wire size of 8 AWG, for scenario 2 the minimum wire size was 2 AWG (Combiner to CC).

How does the built in limiter in the program set the minimum wire size you can test against?

the reason I ask is that I have used another wire size/Voltage drop calculator and I can meet % drop specs with smaller wire size.

ej
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Westbranch

sorry, I used 20 feet one way. I used different distances and no difference???
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

Westbranch

KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

boB


Hey, Westbranch...

What simulator is this ?  The one in the Classic or the one on our web site ??

boB
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niel

or are you referring to my v drop calculator?

the total wire distance for pv to combiner and the total wire distance from combiner to cc would be needed. of course the total distance is the run distance times 2. say what gauge of wire for pv to combiner and combiner to cc you are using in your calculations so we know the whole scenario.
ps-are the wire runs from both pv arrays to be the same wire size and length to each other or are they different?

Westbranch

boB, it is the web site one.  Checked it out several times in case I made an error, same result regardless of distance for the 6 string scenario 2AWG. 3 string was 8 AWG.

Niel, for your calculator I used 6 strings @ 48 volts PV, battery 24 V, (double distances of) 40 feet/ 10 AWG, 30 feet/8 AWG, 4 feet/8 AWG, 8 feet/4 AWG.  > = 2.76% and 3.55%

All distances are overestimates of actual at this time.  Attempted to determine the minimum wire sizes needed with < 3% loss.  What it told me is to go as far as possible before combining...

Yet the web version Classic simulator even with a total distance combiner to CC of 20 feet, yielded  a result of 2 AWG Comb. to CC .  ???
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

boB


W.B.  Have you tried the same thing on the Classic's Wizard ??  I wonder if the web site and Classic both agree or disagree...

As long as you don't complete the Wizard, it won't (read... "shouldn't") change settings on your Classic.

boB
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Westbranch

Hi boB, I don't have a classic yet, so can't use its wizard.  :(
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

boB

Quote from: Westbranch on December 06, 2011, 06:54:23 PM
Hi boB, I don't have a classic yet, so can't use its wizard.  :(

OK, we'll check it out.

boB
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Westbranch

KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come