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WhizBang Jr. + 3rd party monitor

Started by bldr, April 15, 2019, 07:44:50 PM

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bldr

I was planning on using a Whizbang jr with a Classic 150, and was also thinking I needed a second dedicated battery monitor. Does that make sense or does the classic + whizbang jr do everything? I was looking at a victron bvm 7xx series monitor, but I am now wondering if is necessary.

Thoughts?

Thanks

ClassicCrazy

#1
I have not looked up that device you listed but you will get most of the information you would want from the Classic and Whizbang . You will want to use the Midnite Local Status app  or Grahams Android Classic Monitoring app ( this one is excellent ).  You can also get a lot of graphed historical information if you have MyMidnite set up - data is sent to Midnite server for that one.  All of those are free .
The Local Status app is the only one that lets you change settings and also back them up for easy restore later after a firmware update that needs to wipe back to factory settings. All the other are just for monitoring.
There are also some opensource monitoring options .
With the Whizbang you can set up SOC state of charge which is a good estimate of remaining battery capacity . With the Whizbang you are also able to see exactly how much power is going into loads and how much is going into the battery .

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

bldr

Larry, thanks for jumping right in.

The install will be in a zero connectivity environment (boat: no wifi/cell service), would that change the utility of the classic/whizbang setup?

How deep into the display/menu is battery status on the classic?

If there is a lot of digging to get to it, having a standalone battery monitor that is very few buttons might end up being best/simplest.

ClassicCrazy

I would suggest you connect your Classic to a wifi router . You should then be able to connect to the local status app on a laptop and Grahams Android app even if you don't have internet .
Either of those is well worth the extra effort for much better display and history .
Most all the info you want for Classic and Whizbang is just a few presses of the status button on the MNGP so that will work for you too . You don't need that extra monitor

Larry

system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

Resthome

Quote from: ClassicCrazy on April 16, 2019, 01:15:48 AM
I would suggest you connect your Classic to a wifi router . You should then be able to connect to the local status app on a laptop and Grahams Android app even if you don't have internet .
Either of those is well worth the extra effort for much better display and history .
Most all the info you want for Classic and Whizbang is just a few presses of the status button on the MNGP so that will work for you too . You don't need that extra monitor

Larry

Yes, on what Larry said.  Just get a wireless router and connect the Classic to it. You could use Graham’s app if you have Android device. I have a laptop to look at local status app and run an android emulator for Graham’s app.

I do have a Link 10 installed also on the helm dash for comparison. Monitors that just monitor battery voltage are not that great IMHO.
John

10 x Kyocera KC140, Classic 150 w/WBJr, Link10 Battery Monitor, 850 AH @ 12v Solar One 2v cells, Xantrex PROwatt SW2000
Off Grid on Houseboat Lake Don Pedro, CA

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: Resthome on April 16, 2019, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on April 16, 2019, 01:15:48 AM
I would suggest you connect your Classic to a wifi router . You should then be able to connect to the local status app on a laptop and Grahams Android app even if you don't have internet .
Either of those is well worth the extra effort for much better display and history .
Most all the info you want for Classic and Whizbang is just a few presses of the status button on the MNGP so that will work for you too . You don't need that extra monitor

Larry

Yes, on what Larry said.  Just get a wireless router and connect the Classic to it. You could use Graham’s app if you have Android device. I have a laptop to look at local status app and run an android emulator for Graham’s app.

I do have a Link 10 installed also on the helm dash for comparison. Monitors that just monitor battery voltage are not that great IMHO.

John - consider getting an Amazon Kindle Fire 7 tablet and root it . Amazon has them on sale for $30 sometimes . You can wipe out all the amazon stuff and then make it into regular android .  New hack lets you do that https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/unlock-fire-t3899860
Takes a bit of geek work but maybe you want the fun challenge of it all .

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP