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Turning off Rosie based on Wbjr SOC

Started by mahendra, June 11, 2024, 08:38:25 AM

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mahendra


I can turn off my Outback Inverter using the AUX port of my classic and based on the set SOC from Wbjr my Outback would turn off to save itself and my batteries.
I have been going through the Rosie manual but do not see anything to say that can be done.
Only Low battery disconnect.
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

mahendra

Are AUX 1 and 2 on the Rosie and Barcelona the same as the Classics?
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: mahendra on June 12, 2024, 09:54:42 AMAre AUX 1 and 2 on the Rosie and Barcelona the same as the Classics?
The Hawkes Bay has a lower voltage output on the Aux than the Classic. Probably the same for Barcelona . There is enough voltage and current on Classic Aux to directly operator the coil on a dc contactor I use. But the Hawkes Bay can't do that .
Also I dont' believe the Aux on HB are tied up by Whizbang and as far as I know both Aux are supposed to be able to do PWM though not sure if that is working now or not.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

mahendra

Thanks.
I noticed some difference looking at the manual.
I reckon the Barcelona would need its own Wbjr.
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

mahendra

So based on this I am guessing the Barcelona or HB AUX 1 cannot do the dry contact as the Classic does engage or disengage the inverter pin switch.

This is used with SOC Hi OR SOC low(with the help of the WBJR ) to turn off my Outback output based on SOC rather than voltage.
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: mahendra on June 13, 2024, 08:35:24 AMSo based on this I am guessing the Barcelona or HB AUX 1 cannot do the dry contact as the Classic does engage or disengage the inverter pin switch.

This is used with SOC Hi OR SOC low(with the help of the WBJR ) to turn off my Outback output based on SOC rather than voltage.
Seems like it would be easy enough to  just use a small relay to do that switching .
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

mahendra

Thanks.Yes would be doing that.
Now to locate a good quality one that would work
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

ClassicCrazy

from the manual
The Hawke's Bay offers three Auxiliary terminals to be used as a nominal DC trigger voltage
source to activate a relay that in turn connects DC accessories (battery vent fan, diversion
loads, lights) to the battery bank or an AC relay to break an inverter's AC output or some other
AC source wire. The AUX circuit outputs 10.5VDC at a maximum of 200mA, thus an external
relay is required between the accessory and a power source. The AUX circuit will trigger this
relay on/off.
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

mahendra

Quote from: ClassicCrazy on June 14, 2024, 07:16:55 PMfrom the manual
The Hawke's Bay offers three Auxiliary terminals to be used as a nominal DC trigger voltage
source to activate a relay that in turn connects DC accessories (battery vent fan, diversion
loads, lights) to the battery bank or an AC relay to break an inverter's AC output or some other
AC source wire. The AUX circuit outputs 10.5VDC at a maximum of 200mA, thus an external
relay is required between the accessory and a power source. The AUX circuit will trigger this
relay on/off.


Any link recommendations on a good quality AC relay of such?
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

ClassicCrazy

#9
Quote from: mahendra on June 23, 2024, 09:52:22 AM
Quote from: ClassicCrazy on June 14, 2024, 07:16:55 PMfrom the manual
The Hawke's Bay offers three Auxiliary terminals to be used as a nominal DC trigger voltage
source to activate a relay that in turn connects DC accessories (battery vent fan, diversion
loads, lights) to the battery bank or an AC relay to break an inverter's AC output or some other
AC source wire. The AUX circuit outputs 10.5VDC at a maximum of 200mA, thus an external
relay is required between the accessory and a power source. The AUX circuit will trigger this
relay on/off.


Any link recommendations on a good quality AC relay of such?
I couldn't give you any right now since I haven't had to get any yet - been relying on the Classic in past which had enough ooompf to do the job. I think I would look on Digikey and they have the filters so you could enter the exact  specs and then narrow it down. Anything they carry would be quality. I think most SSR relays should work with it in addition to mechanical types.
But I have used Crydom SSR which are good quality , but also have used some cheap ebay ones too which worked okay.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

FNG

I am pretty sure the latest Rosie beta firmware has Low Battery Cuttoff using SOC%, Put the WBjr on the MPPT or the Rosie and setup LBCO with the percentages you want and walla. I will ask Jim Parish to chime in as he has been testing this.

mahendra

Great to know I have to do a firmware update and was questioning why it doesn't.
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

wmSwartz

Confirming that Rosies shut off with low battery.  (during testing mine shut off)    Firmware Version 24.3.15

mahendra

is this based on SOC using Wbjr? or battery volt
1.5kw on Midnite classic 150(whizbang jr.) networked 0.660kw on classic lite 200 wbjr ,180ah CALB Lifepo4 48v battery bank,jkbms 150amps bms(top balanced) Outback vfx3648.
Soon to be added Sol Ark 8k with 5Dyness Bx51000 ,7.8kw pv

boB

Quote from: mahendra on July 02, 2024, 08:33:03 AMis this based on SOC using Wbjr? or battery volt

I think that LBCO is a voltage and it should have to stay below that voltage for some minimum amount of time, say, 1 minute or so.
OR you can choose SOC% as well I think. 

Lots of "I think"  but  someone else can correct me if that is wrong.

boB
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