KW hours not being posted daily on my classic!

[n4zi]

   Well guys,

    I sent off one of my classics to be repaired last week - it wouldn't charge, guess it decided to take
a vacation. I bought a classic from my buddy across town - actually it was purchased the same time
I bought the one that I sent off for repair, and he bought it from me. S/N 124XX like the one being
repaired. This one works fine, but doesn't dump the log on the front panel daily. It accumulates
until it is powered off. It then clears and starts again. I have probably produced 25 kwh with it, but
when you go to the log in the menu it shows 0 kwh total and 0 ah total also. I have installed the
latest firmware 1923/1933, and I have done the reset with both arrows and did a hard reset today
with the jumpers above the blue power strip. Still won't update! Might have been a bad batch of boards
in the 124XX series - don't know?  Hey I am getting pretty good at finding everything in the menus.
Please let me know what I can do next. it's pretty pricy to be sending these in especially if you insure
them!

  Thanks for your help,

   Bill  N4ZI 

[Resthome]

You might try this to see if the logs are saved and the Life Time values are updated.

The present way to save the daily values before midnight is to go to the LOGS menu and then DAILY...

When in the DAILY text logs screen (not graph), hold down the LEFT ARROW key and then hold
the ENTER key while the left arrow is being pressed.  Hold it for about 1 second or so and it
~should~ force a "NEW DAY" and make it reset in about 5 seconds.

This assumes that the Auto-Rst tweak is enabled that makes the Classic reboot at midnight.

You just get two entries for the same day. The entry associated with the NEW DAY will have the time that the NEW DAY was entered. The stat totals will be updated. The second entry would occur at the default 23:59 and include the stats totals for the last segment of time which are also add to the Life Time totals. So the LT totals are correct. If you don't use the NEW DAY feature and you power off you lose the data accumulate to time of power off and would only have a partial day of data added to LT totals.

[n4zi]

   Resthome, I will  give it a try tonite when I get home. My problem is there are no lifetime totals
showing and it doesnt clear at 23:59!

   Thanks,

     Bill

[Resthome]

   Resthome, I will  give it a try tonite when I get home. My problem is there are no lifetime totals
showing and it doesnt clear at 23:59!

   Thanks,

     Bill

Bill

Another thing to check on. Maybe the clock inside the Classic itself isn't counting correctly.  It gets synchronized from the MNGP clock which has the battery.  It's worth a look.

To look at the clock in the classic itself, go to the MNGP Clock/Calendar setup screen in MISC menu and
while there, HOLD down the LEFT-ARROW key and TAP the SOFT-RIGHT key.  It should read the clock
inside the Classic.  If it is running, the seconds should be counting up just like in the MNGP.
If not, then maybe we have something.

Do you see daily entries in the Daily Log screens?

[boB]

Well, this is very strange indeed...   There were no circuit board problems associated with data logging issues.

Resthome, all you say about those secret button presses are correct except for the need to enable  Auto-Rst
in Tweaks in order to get the NEW-DAY to clear the main status kW-Hours and add them to the
lifetime kW-Hours in the LOGS menu.

I may have said that was necessary at one time though.  Doing that NEW-DAY button combination does
the same thing internal to the Classic as when the clock goes to 23:29....

And N4ZI, I'm not sure why, at 23:59 that this would not occur naturally.  BUT, maybe there IS a problem
with your board's clock in the Classic ?  Do what RH said in the MISC--TIME menu and press
the left-arrow and the soft-right key to show the Classic's time and date which should be the same
as the MNGP's time/date display.

Remember to check to make sure that the Classic time seconds are counting like in the MNGP.
If you see that the Classic time/date is similar to the MNGP but not counting, that may mean
that the Classic's 32,768 Hz clock is not running.  Even if the MNGP sends its time to the Classic
every minute doesn't mean it will do the logs transfer (and clear from status screen)  like it
is supposed to at 23:59 if the Classic's time is not counting.

Make sure that Time Synch in the TWEAKS menu is set to ON so that the MNGP sends its time/date to
the Classic once every minute.

While in the MNGP's TIME menu, pressing ENTER will send the time/date TO the Classic so you might
do that first and then look at the Classic time/date and make sure that it is the same.

[n4zi]

   Well got home last night and after all the comments on the MNGP - I decided to
take a look. I have been noticing that everytime I power down I have to go back
reset the date and time. I pulled the battery a CR1216 and it read .75 volts. Went
up town and bought a new one - it was reading 3.33 volts and installed it. I assume
this will be the problem! I will know tonite. I bought the unit from my buddy. He installed
it powered it up and then decided he wanted a Flex 80 to match his outback inverter. So
there it sat for about 7 months with battery in it which probably discharged it! How long
will batteries last on a running system? Can you replace without losing your log?

Since I had the other one being repaired it was a good idea to get his - I will have inspector
out today for a final look. I will also have the head Electrical Engineer from my local utility out
to check out my installation. I didnt want them looking at a bunch of wires hanging out with
the missing Classic! Hopefully the Engineer will be bringing me another meter that won't charge
me if I push some energy across to the grid. Local Power Co. has a contract with TVA that won't
allow you to sell back unless you have a second meter. The incentive these days is only 2 cents
above current rate and I would be locked in by contract if I went that route. I built my system to
use myself. I have 2 generators also a 5500 watt and a Yamaha 2000 watt inverter also.

I will let you know how it goes today!

  Thanks for the help!

   N4ZI

[boB]

Good deal...

The battery being dead will not erase any logs since they are in non-volatile memory.

As long as the time and date was good when the logs were created, their time and date
will still be good.  If the dates in the logs were wrong before, replacing the battery
now will not make them correct though.

Keep us posted on what happens.

boB

[n4zi]

   Well have new battery and it still doesn't post at midnite - display still reads what was on yesterday. Guess
KWH will be cumulative on the MNGP - but won't post to log!  Any ideas?

   Thanks,

    N4ZI

[boB]

   Well have new battery and it still doesn't post at midnite - display still reads what was on yesterday. Guess
KWH will be cumulative on the MNGP - but won't post to log!  Any ideas?

   Thanks,

    N4ZI

Did you look at the Classic time and make sure its seconds are counting and that it reads the same as the MNGP time ?

[Halfcrazy]

Can you check and see if Insomnia is ON in the tweaks menu? I wonder if thats it.

[n4zi]

Ok,

   I have been under the weather here so I didn't get chance to check out the clock! My clock
for the Classic is not updating and counting seconds! My other (2) units work fine! Yes and Insomnia
is off!

  Any ideas?

   Thanks n4zi

[boB]

Ok,

   I have been under the weather here so I didn't get chance to check out the clock! My clock
for the Classic is not updating and counting seconds! My other (2) units work fine! Yes and Insomnia
is off!

  Any ideas?

   Thanks n4zi

Is the returned time/date from the Classic itself close to what you see for the MNGP time ?  Off by maybe one minute or so ?

If so, that's it and you will probably need to RMA the Classic.  There is a little black rectangular clock crystal on the
classic control board (top board) kind of near to the 100 pin processor.  You could check to see if there are any
weird but obvious looking connections or whatever on there.  The board is conformal coated so it may look
a bit funny due to that coating in places.

[n4zi]

The Classic time and MNGP time is now off 4 hours and the second hand on the MNGP was not updating
until I powered the unit down. I have to power it down to get a fresh reading every day for the KWH and AH. If I
don't power it down it just continues where it left off the day before. I am getting no updates in the LOG for KWH
and AH they are still at 0! Guess its time to get an RMA!

[boB]

The Classic time and MNGP time is now off 4 hours and the second hand on the MNGP was not updating
until I powered the unit down.

Is "Time Synch" turned on in Tweaks in that MNGP ?

You say that the seconds on the MNGP was not counting up, so that indicates to me that the MNGP's
clock is bad and not the Classic maybe...  That could also cause the problem you are seeing.

But being different by 4 hours would not necessarily be caused by the clock not counting up.

The clock in the MNGP does not determine when the MNGP tells the Classic what time it is.
The software timing itself determines when every minute happens.

So, did the CLASSIC seconds count up ?

boB

[n4zi]

After the power down only the MNGP starts counting again! The Classic doesn't count