Make output limit dependent

Started by dogfox, September 23, 2015, 06:56:11 PM

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ClassicCrazy

The brochure says that Twizy can go 50 mph , 56 miles range , and priced around $10,000 - though the setup they have in England is to rent the battery for it.

https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/twizy.html

Larry

system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

tecnodave

Brochure says Li ion battery but no type......I like the approach taken by BYD  LFP prismatic batteries and voltages low enough that a solar controller can charge it.....maybe Renault chose that path
Does anybody know?

Dave
#1 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24volt L-16 Rolls-Surette S-530, MS4024 & Cotek ,  C-40 dirv.cont. for hot water
#2 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24 volt L-16 Interstate,Brutus Inv.
#3 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 4/6 P
#4 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 2S 2/3 P

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: tecnodave on May 10, 2016, 09:50:04 AM
Brochure says Li ion battery but no type......I like the approach taken by BYD  LFP prismatic batteries and voltages low enough that a solar controller can charge it.....maybe Renault chose that path
Does anybody know?

Dave

I would think that most of those package battery systems will want to use their own provided AC charger system and charging circuits with included protections. So probably stuck with having some inefficiency using an inverter. If it goes 50 mph it probably has a high voltage battery pack.
Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

binkino

#48
It is not possible to charge with another charge, then the build in.
58Volt battery pack afair
I can post more informations in its own topic if there is interest. We have collected a lot infos and pictures of the drive battery in the twizy forum http://www.vectrix-forum.de
There are some users who exermine the kind of communication of the battery and the system, also to build a independend battery pack.
As the battery is rented, some users don't like it and some want their own battety pack.
Also if you once cancel the contract with Renault and you give back the battery, Renault never ever gives you a battety again. You have a brick on wheels then standing in your yard... absolute insane.
But as long as you rent it, you have the right for a working battery, if gets broken or loses capacity <75%
This has not often happened, only the charger of the first rev had problems.

The price of 10.000$ is like here for the 'Technic' version with all extras.
Will you have to pay transport costs extra to the car-price in the US?

Renault now had a discount of 2.000 Euros, so it cost me 7.300,- plus transport of 650,-

Btt: i must charge from AC ;)
No option for fast-charging like in regular electric cars, and no way to charge slower with let's say 500 Watts
Chargers:  Classic Lite 200 + Classic 200
Inverter: Easun ISolar-SMX-II-5.6KW
PV modules: 12 x 240 Wp + 12 x 255 Wp = 5.940 Wp
Batteries: 2 x 10 kWh + 5 kWh LFP = 25 kWh
My LCARS PV site: http://a68k.de/Solar/Monitor_LC2.php
PV-Output: http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id=38617 (not longer uptodate)

tecnodave

I will be building my own electric car, I'm interested in where it's going .

I have one Dihatsu 3 wheel pickup. Like the little Cushman vehicles used in parks, originally 12 hp 2 stroke gas burner.  Tiny little cab that 2 can squeeze into, suicide doors, one front wheel with small hood and Austin-Healy bug eye style head lights  3'X 5' bed.....so butt ugly it's cute....candy apple red

Right now has 6 dead worn out GC-8 golf cart batteries ,48 volt,  and transplanted golf cart drive. I'm planning CALB or BYD LFP batteries and modern controller charged by Classic

One more project in the works

Dave
#1 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24volt L-16 Rolls-Surette S-530, MS4024 & Cotek ,  C-40 dirv.cont. for hot water
#2 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24 volt L-16 Interstate,Brutus Inv.
#3 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 4/6 P
#4 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 2S 2/3 P

binkino

let's push this topic once again  :D
Chargers:  Classic Lite 200 + Classic 200
Inverter: Easun ISolar-SMX-II-5.6KW
PV modules: 12 x 240 Wp + 12 x 255 Wp = 5.940 Wp
Batteries: 2 x 10 kWh + 5 kWh LFP = 25 kWh
My LCARS PV site: http://a68k.de/Solar/Monitor_LC2.php
PV-Output: http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id=38617 (not longer uptodate)

ClassicCrazy

#51
Quote from: binkino on July 15, 2016, 05:57:54 PM
let's push this topic once again  :D

I think Ryan has the Beta output limit firmware he has been trying out -- maybe he will post it - or send him
a message and ask him.

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

Halfcrazy

This feature was added in REV 2096. Attached is the white paper on using it
Changing the way wind turbines operate one smoke filled box at a time

binkino

Hey great!
...have to update (have 2079) :D
Chargers:  Classic Lite 200 + Classic 200
Inverter: Easun ISolar-SMX-II-5.6KW
PV modules: 12 x 240 Wp + 12 x 255 Wp = 5.940 Wp
Batteries: 2 x 10 kWh + 5 kWh LFP = 25 kWh
My LCARS PV site: http://a68k.de/Solar/Monitor_LC2.php
PV-Output: http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id=38617 (not longer uptodate)

binkino

#54
I did it short after my post, I believe its working ;)

So just thinking back to this topic, because have to change it; one of these crap batteries I have is dead and had to replace it with an older smaller capacity one for continue working the system. (for the time, till I have a new one)


But you must be very carfell, that you don't change the register number inadvertently while pushing the buttons :D
Allways keep an eye on the display, what the fingers are doing ;)

*remeber the "shift" ting, for faster change the Amps :D


So this is a nice working way.

May be we can get this for easy setting in the next Midnite-App? :D




Just in theory ...
what happens, If I set the max charge amps to 30 and the max amps in the app to 20 amps? :D
Will it override the 30 amps and only charge with 20 amps?
(interesting for my temporary issue with the battery)
Chargers:  Classic Lite 200 + Classic 200
Inverter: Easun ISolar-SMX-II-5.6KW
PV modules: 12 x 240 Wp + 12 x 255 Wp = 5.940 Wp
Batteries: 2 x 10 kWh + 5 kWh LFP = 25 kWh
My LCARS PV site: http://a68k.de/Solar/Monitor_LC2.php
PV-Output: http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id=38617 (not longer uptodate)

Powerplay

Binkino:

Thank you for bumping the topic.  I'd lost track of it over the summer.  Now I'm reading HalfCrazy's link.
41 degrees N, 255 Ah 48V AGM, MagnaSine 4448 Inv, 3500W PV, Midnite Classic 150 A (12/6/15), Midnite Classic 150 B (4/14/16), WBjr, BTS, MNPV6 X 2, SPD X 2, Apps: Mini Split AC, Car Charger, Water pumps, Lighting, -> 48V string plan 500W, 94.5VmP, 112.5VoC, -15C - 40C TCVoC -.3%, TCIsC +.04%

ClassicCrazy

I somehow missed this too .
Will have to upgrade tomorrow.

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP