Solar Power Conversion Carbon Footprint

[russ_drinkwater]

Our world is in a state of continual recycling.
If we had no beef, lamb,goat, deer,elk, carribo or the like we would be pretty hungry for protein!
The millions of trees on our property would more than balance out the amount of beef bowel burgs from our cattle.
I try to run the place as a sustainable enterprise with little environmental damage.
Had not thought of the wilderbeast herds and the like.
I would imagine the waters where hippos live would be like a sauna tub at times

[Powerplay]

I heard that same statement about water, the same volume of water has been on the planet for many years, billions?
But not sure about CO2 as this is separated by plants into carbon that they use in growing and o2 that they release into the atmosphere. So the volume of CO2 has been increasing as more natural and industrial processes create it and there are less plants (rainforests) since they are being removed at an accelerating pace. More CO2 increases greenhouse effect, planet warming, ice melting, sea level rising etc..
@dvd:
           
Methane is 25% of it according to some sources, FWIW.

[Powerplay]

So when I see a trail being left & i can see another aircraft not leaving one but lower & the lower one is on a onmi flight path , while the trail leaver one has been seen stoping it & then pulled a huge 180 & started it again , Kinda makes ya do a HUM !!

Glad that crap is not falling on me , it seems to float & spread out , It's much higher than the clouds , So day like the last two I get great harvest , chem clouds , im 70% best.

Do a U tube search , there are many plus a California State one admitting that it is be conducted , but by who was their question.
I find that worst than Lubbock Texas & the "Smell of Money", I about made cookies at that when the wind shiffeed !!
Ranching area Russ .

Interesting.  What would you say this is above?  Ocean, farmland, mountain, other?

[Powerplay]

Our world is in a state of continual recycling.
If we had no beef, lamb,goat, deer,elk, carribo or the like we would be pretty hungry for protein!
The millions of trees on our property would more than balance out the amount of beef bowel burgs from our cattle.
I try to run the place as a sustainable enterprise with little environmental damage.
Had not thought of the wilderbeast herds and the like.
I would imagine the waters where hippos live would be like a sauna tub at times

@Russ_drinkwater:

I'm very impressed by your conservation efforts.  That is where my interest in Midnite products comes from. 
Step 1:  Power company says all trees west of my house are in their right-of-way and will be cut down - I have no say in the matter.
Step 2:  Power distribution company sends 'helpful' mailer out that says I can reduce my electricity costs by planting trees west of my house.  Huh?
Step 3:  I've always been interested in conservation, science & engineering.
Step 4:  Alternative power sources.

But I'm afraid the global warming fight is a zero sum game and not possible to win.  9 billion people are on the way.  11 next time.  Best to do what one can personally & hope for the best.

[CDN-VT]

Interesting.  What would you say this is above?  Ocean, farmland, mountain, other?

West Coast of NORTH AMERICA  over Pacific is what I can see , since im on the wet coast of BC

VT

[russ_drinkwater]

We are under a flight path at our property.
The vapour trails from high altitude jets vary from day to day.
Some days nothing and other days they run for kilometers.
I was of the opinion it was controlled by atmospheric moisture levels at the altitude at which the planes are cruising!
Large contour banks across the land here help stem water erosion from storm runoff and the effect of cattle pads caused by livestock all
tracking behind each other day after day.
Slowing water flow and reducing grass cover loss also helps increase soil humus and carbon locked into soil.
Under stocking also promotes good ground cover and reduces effect of livestock production.
Self made drought from over stocking is no friend to any of us and greed/stupidity/ignorance is the cause of most.
I am trying to avoid production of anymore man-made deserts in a country of low rainfall!

[Cniemand]

It isn't a competition between how much mankind can produce relative to a volcano. It is a matter of how much carbon annually can the planet process/recycle. It is a function of long sequestered carbon versus liberated atmospheric available carbon. The planet can cycle a lot of carbon on a yearly basis, however, the addition of the industrial revolution and its massive additional amount of carbon mainly from burning coal since the mid 1700s has slowly added to a number that cannot be cycled, thus builds up in the atmosphere.

Simple equation. If a planet can cycle 1000 units. If humans manage to add 1 unit per annum that adds up over several hundred years as it has done so. The global system doesn't have a means to process it. (Only so much bio-mass) It is left to warm the atmosphere and basically turn our oceans into carbonated water. WOOPY!

Chem-trails make me laugh as an aviator.... It isn't a global conspiracy to reduce human population numbers. It is simply physics. Combustion creates mainly carbon dioxide and water vapor. When that water vapor hits its dew point based on ambient temperature and how much humidity it is already carrying.... poof, clouds.......visable moisture.

[CDN-VT]

Chem-trails make me laugh as an aviator.... It isn't a global conspiracy to reduce human population numbers. It is simply physics. Combustion creates mainly carbon dioxide and water vapor. When that water vapor hits its dew point based on ambient temperature and how much humidity it is already carrying.... poof, clouds.......visable moisture.

I also am a aviator  , Each to there own beliefs ,& since I don't own a smart phone I walk looking ahead & up mostly on the ranch ,What I see never dissipate but spread , Clouds are below first class air carriers , and CONTRAILS  dissipate after the aircraft . These are High Bypass Turbine  engines , the Military low bypass engines  that fly over from Whidbey Base & Comox Base  leave the odd contrail But there at 65K FT  and higher , hard to spot. Been looking Up since a kid from the 50's to see if I could do that also , the sky has changed since then .

Normal Aircraft DON'T make clouds ! & yes there are a lot of wacky You tubes also .
It's NOT just in  North America , It's all over , Russ says he see it , I see it in England & France

[Westbranch]

reading these latest posts made me think of "cloud seeding" done long ago  for relieving drought effects etc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Then I saw the link to this interesting article from the BBC... http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130304-the-trouble-with-cloud-seeding


Might this be what is mentioned above?

[CDN-VT]

reading these latest posts made me think of "cloud seeding" done long ago  for relieving drought effects etc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Then I saw the link to this interesting article from the BBC... http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130304-the-trouble-with-cloud-seeding


Might this be what is mentioned above?

Thats It , See the pattern of the  man made trails & if you notice the HEIGHT of them over clouds ..WB you might see those , I see the stream of the start .

VT

[Westbranch]

I'll have to pay closer attention to the 'trails' I can see from the cabin, it's a bit too far East of you for you to see but they fly along the spine of the coast mountains, I'm thinking of AK to CA....

[russ_drinkwater]

We must have had chem trails and cloud seeding here over our property before I was born.
Most likely from 1940's onwards as I often found seeds lying in the cultivation as kid when I was wondering around shooting hares and wallabies and such.
Those seeds were 50 cal browning shells!
Now how the hell they got here always puzzled me.
Obviously someone at some time has fired a long burst of 50 cal browning from a plane flying overhead!
I would assume that the shells would be ejected out of the plane once extracted from the breech of the machine gun/guns.
They sure would have rattled if they had landed on the tin roof of my grandparents house here!

[Powerplay]

Greenhouse emitters: Power gen = 21%, Industry = 17%, Transportation fuel = 14%, Ag Byproducts = 12.5%, Fossil fuel retrieval = 11%, Commercial/Residential = 10%, Open burning of biomass = 10%.   Leading producer of CO2 = Power Generation at 30%, Leading producer of Methane = Ag byproducts at 40%,  Leading producer of NO = Ag fertilizer.  Unit warming effectiveness 1 unit = CO2, Methane = 25X CO2,  NO (Nitrous Oxide) = 298X CO2.  Tropospheric concentration vs pre 1750.  Methane = 700 ppb now = 1,870 ppb.  CO2 = 280K ppb now = 388K ppb.  NO 270 ppb now = 323 ppb.

Note that Methane has increased about 250% or so since 1750.

Commercial & residential should be split out and better defined in my opinion.

CFCs have an enormous half life in the troposphere.

The article I read didn't talk about water vapor in this equation but it is definitely a greenhouse gas & jets put a lot out there.

[Powerplay]

Sorry, in the above NO is Nitric Oxide and is a byproduct of internal combustion engines & power generating plants + the semiconductor industry produces a lot of it.  It is not an Ag byproduct as I must have carried over from the previous category.

[Westbranch]

Here is a bit of lite reading for you all about Svensmark, a Danish researcher. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/sep/09/physicists-claim-further-evidence-of-link-between-cosmic-rays-and-cloud-formation

An Article that cites Svensmark :

http://www.icr.org/article/new-theory-climate-change/

if you want to jump to the conclusion and then reread the whole article it may be a bit clearer as the rise in CME's , suns spots ,  leads to fewer cosmic rays getting to earth resulting in less low level clouds, which is due to stronger magnetic field, larger auroras, stronger solar winds, etc....  this discovery is a bit counter intuitive...


And an article on ocean s and CO2

http://www.americantraditions.org/Articles/New%20Evidence%20that%20Man-Made%20Carbon%20Dioxide%20%28CO2%29%20Does%20Not%20Cause%20Global%20Warming.htm