Temperature Compensation Settings?

Started by sigp2101, June 28, 2016, 12:27:45 PM

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grgdgreek

Home:6*135w mitsu.10*175w shuko. 2* cl150.3*D400 turbines.
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TomW

Just now noticed that "Temperature" was spelled wrong in the opening post. Fixed it so it will show up in searches for temperature better.

Tom
Do NOT mistake me for any kind of "expert".

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24 Trina 310 watt modules, SMA SunnyBoy 7.7 KW Grid Tie inverter.

I thought that they were angels, but much to my surprise, We climbed aboard their starship and headed for the skies

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: sigp2101 on June 30, 2016, 03:07:09 PM


It is good to know that if it works that way, but does it? I read somewhere that Bulk and Absorb mode are same for Classic 150.

Bulk gives all available power until it gets to Absorb voltage then in Absorb it will hold the Absorb  voltage and reduce the current  until it either gets to the Absorb time setting or until Ending Amps if that is setup  - then it goes to Float Voltage.

Larry
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera   Classic 150 ,8s2p  Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 20kwh  ,Gobel 16 kwh  lifepo4 Outback VFX 3648  8s2p 380w Rec pv EG4 6000XP

dgd

Quote from: sigp2101 on June 30, 2016, 11:27:16 AM
When I started with design of my system I have 2 limitations. Amount of panels I can put on limited southern exposure and weight per individual battery. I purchased my panels while ago and at that time biggest panel was 235W panel. So I ended up with 3 of these since I could fit only 3 at that particular spot which is façade of the cottage. Batteries needed to go into crawl space and therefore weight limit imposed. One person should be able to carry them in and out at all times. So, system was reverse engineered according to PV array. 30Kg battery was no brainer either.

Interesting story...
Seems you are too limited in your PV generation ability. With PVs so cheap more would be nice.
Why only southern exposure? In there no SE or SW exposure or even E or W?
There has been a fair amount of discussion here on PV orientation.
What do you mean by crawl space? under cottage floor to ground or above ceiling to roof space?
Have seen ground crawl space where cells are mounted on a wheeled tray that can be pushed under space or pulled out for servicing.

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

sigp2101

Quote from: dgd on July 01, 2016, 05:32:47 AM
Interesting story...
Seems you are too limited in your PV generation ability. With PVs so cheap more would be nice.
Why only southern exposure? In there no SE or SW exposure or even E or W?
There has been a fair amount of discussion here on PV orientation.
What do you mean by crawl space? under cottage floor to ground or above ceiling to roof space?
Have seen ground crawl space where cells are mounted on a wheeled tray that can be pushed under space or pulled out for servicing.

dgd

Yes, there are SE and SW exposure but it is too high up on the roof. It would be impossible for any maintenance needed. Crawl space is under the floor. Wheeled tray is exactly what I am going to.
Off grid system:
3 X 230W 36V 8A SolarWorld in series,
Classic 150,
36V BB - 225Ah 6x6V Trojan T-105 T2,
3000W psw Inverter,
Fridge 159KWh/Y, 30W led lights, laptop, TV.

dgd

Sigp,

Thanks for posting those pics.

Thats a really nice setup with the Classic and inverter, wiring mostly in flex/solid conduit too.
Its also a decent height crawl space, I'd be tempted to excavate/concrete a part of it so it became an almost standing space for your power room perhaps even with internal entry steps/trapdoor too.

The three solar panels seem to be a good fit, centrally placed to maintain symmetrical look to front of building. Looks like you could get a fourth or even fifth panel along the front without protruding past the end walls.

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

sigp2101

#21
Hi technodave, was reading previous post of yours and find discrepancy I need additional explanation for.

Quote from: tecnodave on June 28, 2016, 02:02:38 PM



Classic does not quite set that way......

Use these values.        -5mv  per cell.      Temp comp set point 25 C 

Classic does know how many cells

Above you are referring to Temp Set Points in deg C, and below:
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First screen.      .005
Second screen.   Not disabled
EQ Comped:  no
Temp comp set point. 43.2.......ok I don't use 36 volt....my set point is 28.8....absorb set point for 24 volt Rolls-Surette & Interstate.....this is the same volts per cell

In Volts, now I am confused. What is this value? (Temp Comp Set Points) Mine is set I think around 41.

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There is a learning curve here, it's going to take a while!

David

That is for sure, I am reading manuals, watching videos and these questions keep popping up like popcorns.

Thanks!

SIGP2101
Off grid system:
3 X 230W 36V 8A SolarWorld in series,
Classic 150,
36V BB - 225Ah 6x6V Trojan T-105 T2,
3000W psw Inverter,
Fridge 159KWh/Y, 30W led lights, laptop, TV.

zoneblue

Yes creative setup. Couple points worth noting. The general rule is that you dont want power electronics within 500mm of lead batterys. Theres two reasons, sparks plus hydrogen= boom. Second reason is the acid mist will cause corrosion of delicate internals. Hopefully youve got some sort of venting to stop a pool of hydrogen building up under your house!
6x300W CSUN, ground mount, CL150Lite, 2V/400AhToyo AGM,  Outback VFX3024E, Steca Solarix PL1100
http://www.zoneblue.org/cms/page.php?view=off-grid-solar

sigp2101

Quote from: zoneblue on July 07, 2016, 06:38:22 PM
Yes creative setup. Couple points worth noting. The general rule is that you dont want power electronics within 500mm of lead batterys. Theres two reasons, sparks plus hydrogen= boom. Second reason is the acid mist will cause corrosion of delicate internals. Hopefully youve got some sort of venting to stop a pool of hydrogen building up under your house!

There are 12 six inch vents in the walls in that basement. You can see one in the picture. They provide nice cross breeze. Eventually BB will be inside insulated box with flex hose connected to two of these vent holes on opposing sides. This project is in progress and even wiring is not done yet. Your raised valid point.

Thanks!

SIGP2101
Off grid system:
3 X 230W 36V 8A SolarWorld in series,
Classic 150,
36V BB - 225Ah 6x6V Trojan T-105 T2,
3000W psw Inverter,
Fridge 159KWh/Y, 30W led lights, laptop, TV.