New Off Grid Inverter Charger

Started by nigel, June 15, 2012, 11:17:27 AM

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CDN-VT

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Quote from: b4solar on September 20, 2016, 10:24:53 AM
The big B-17 will likely only support 48V. 24V will likely be in a smaller package around four years from today. There's enough of good D.C. TDC step down converters available that most systems will likely go to 48V anyway.

Robin  Posted that a 24Vdc is also in the works down the road.
No worries Vic ..
It's all for tomorrow

VT

The attached preliminary brochure is all that exists at the moment.
Canadian Solar 350W 37.6 VOC  30.6 VMP 8.22 ISC 7.87 IMP ,-15 c +30c max  4 strings in 2 in Series for 24v Classic 150 -1020 Ah  Freezers & fridges ~~~ Second Array same panels of 3sx3 parallel for 24 V Classic 150 -440 Ah Outback Barns & out blds.
48Vdc almost done,11Strings up of 3s11P same panels

Robin

24 v will be a problem with the limitation on module size twice the current means more transistors and twice the current.
Robin Gudgel

TomW

Quote from: Robin on September 28, 2016, 02:19:56 PM
24 v will be a problem with the limitation on module size twice the current means more transistors and twice the current.

Yeah, lots of "fine print" in the laws of physics when herding electrons. :(

Its all in good fun, tho.

Appreciate the pics and other tidbits of info. Looking sweet.

Tom
Do NOT mistake me for any kind of "expert".

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24 Trina 310 watt modules, SMA SunnyBoy 7.7 KW Grid Tie inverter.

I thought that they were angels, but much to my surprise, We climbed aboard their starship and headed for the skies

Westbranch

Quote from: Robin on September 28, 2016, 02:19:56 PM
24 v will be a problem with the limitation on module size twice the current means more transistors and twice the current.

Robin, Tom, not sure I understand how half the voltage means twice the current... 

I understand that being the case  if the module output remains the same  but why does the output have to be the same per module? 

Why not half the module out put?

KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

TomW

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Quote from: Westbranch on September 28, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
Quote from: Robin on September 28, 2016, 02:19:56 PM
24 v will be a problem with the limitation on module size twice the current means more transistors and twice the current.

Robin, Tom, not sure I understand how half the voltage means twice the current... 

I understand that being the case  if the module output remains the same  but why does the output have to be the same per module? 



Why not half the module out put?

Well, good point on the half power modules. Not sure how it would pan out in hardware?

The half the voltage twice the current bit, as you apparently already know,  is Watts Law. Power equals current times volts for those who may not know.

Anyway, that is my arm chair input.

Tom
Do NOT mistake me for any kind of "expert".

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24 Trina 310 watt modules, SMA SunnyBoy 7.7 KW Grid Tie inverter.

I thought that they were angels, but much to my surprise, We climbed aboard their starship and headed for the skies

niel

#410
i think what is being asked is, why not have the modules output 1kw instead of 2kw for 24vdc input? of course if there's room for a few more fets then go to 1.2kw or whatever. this could expand to say 2 or 3 modules rather than 5 as it becomes more appealing to go to 48v at some point. being such a small version it could be a smaller plane designation such as the spitfire aka p51 or something similar.

Westbranch

Niel, you got the first part right and your idea of say 3 or 4 modules would overlap a single and double 2kw 48V modules.... makes sense to me...  .... Most makers have those types of overlaps in the 3 common voltage categories 12, 24 & 48
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

onanparts

boB hard at work on the B17 program. :)
I got the deluxe kit, it had a solar cell and a meter.

Midnite B17-10. 50kW Cont. 150kW Surge... Me/Myself/And/I

ClassicCrazy

Here is a video about their new wind grid tie inverter
https://youtu.be/oQNVoO9OriA
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

onanparts

Quote from: ClassicCrazy on October 07, 2016, 01:32:11 PM
Here is a video about their new wind grid tie inverter
https://youtu.be/oQNVoO9OriA

A Midnite Solar Lionel Train set under the tree for Christmas! I'd even settle for a Beta MS Lionel Train set! :)
I got the deluxe kit, it had a solar cell and a meter.

Midnite B17-10. 50kW Cont. 150kW Surge... Me/Myself/And/I

dgd

Quote from: onanparts on October 07, 2016, 03:20:23 PM
A Midnite Solar Lionel Train set under the tree for Christmas! I'd even settle for a Beta MS Lionel Train set! :)

So not one of the pink for girls special Lion Train sets?  Maybe the MS inverter has a small train guard figure with red flag pop out from a secret door and push the power button when an overload occurs

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
West Auckland, New Zealand

Robin

I am sure we will look at a 24V unit, but for the output power, it will be far more expensive than a 48V unit. Same cost, but half the power? We will be doing different battery based inverters though. Something more along the lines of a Magnum or OutBack FX. It won't be modular, but it can be powerful. For those of you that really want a 24V B17, I am sure we can cook something up. Even if it is just for forum guys and gals.
Give us a chance to get the 48V unit in production though.
Thanks,
Robin
Robin Gudgel

Westbranch

Give us a chance to get the 48V unit in production though.

+1....

Do you have a release date for the production units yet Robin?
KID FW1811 560W >C&D 24V 900Ah AGM
CL150 29032 FW V.2126-NW2097-GP2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3Px4s 140W > 24V 900Ah AGM,
2 Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr, NetGr DS104Hub
Cotek ST1500 Inv  want a 24V  ROSIE Inverter
OmniCharge3024  Eu1/2/3000iGens
West Chilcotin 1680+W to come

Robin

No release date yet. We are still working on the design.
Robin Gudgel

russ_drinkwater

Any idea of pricing at the moment? :o ;D
Standalone. 20 Hyundai x 220 watts panels, 2 x classic 150's, Latronics 24 volt 3kw inverter, Whiz bang Jnr, 12 Rolls surrete  4KS 25P  batteries and WBJ.
Grid tie feed-in, 12.5 kw in 3 arrays generating 50 kws per day average. Solar river grid tie inverters