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Started by onanparts, March 12, 2013, 04:30:34 AM

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vtmaps

Quote from: tecnodave on August 18, 2015, 11:03:07 AM
Ok it does test something about the battery but what?      Hint the bar coming out the side is a probe and the plastic button on the end is an insulator...........a pointed probe and a cylinder?

Thanks for the hint, but I didn't need it.  I've seen descriptions of these... for some reason I think maybe you wrote about them somewhere, sometime ago, in describing how to test individual cells in a flooded lead acid battery.

--vtMaps

tecnodave

#391
Vt gets the cigar!


They are used to test the individual cell voltage! The pointed end is placed on the positive end and the side probe is inserted into the cell, the insulator button prevents shorting the plates so you are reading the voltage of the acid. The second cell is tested using both side probes and so on.
There will be a voltage offset on the first cell as follows:

Positive to first cell.               1.05 volt   !
First cell to second cell.          2.1   volt
Second cell to third cell          2.1   volt
Third cell to negative term.     1.05 volt
           Battery total.              6.3  volt

These were made by Sun Electric to use with an automovitive system. They plug into the VAT-28 generator/alternator/battery tester

I use them with a Snap-On VAT-40 analyzer.......8" high sensivity voltmeter and ammeter to evaluate batteries. These will show any variation in cell volts and used with a hydrometer provide a clear picture of battery capacity and probable life span

I bought a used set of Rolls Surette S-530 L-16 for $20. Headed to the scrap yard, they are now at full 400 ah capacity! All cells are at 1.265.  Not a bad use for a tool thought obsolete!  Did it with a kid in total manual mode! Doing sets every 30 minutes and walking the charge cycle at every step
Even doing the eq in bulk MPPT mode and setting the exact voltage and amperage I wanted at that moment..........I know , that is not how the kid was meant to be used but as a beta tester I will do stuff not in the books

Note, the Surette's were scrapped due to blown FET's in the C-40 controller. I bought the whole system as scrap.........Ah the power of diagnosis!

td
#1 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24volt L-16 Rolls-Surette S-530, MS4024 & Cotek ,  C-40 dirv.cont. for hot water
#2 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24 volt L-16 Interstate,Brutus Inv.
#3 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 4/6 P
#4 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 2S 2/3 P

onanparts

Here is the next victim..... :)
I got the deluxe kit, it had a solar cell and a meter.

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mike90045

Bunch of IC's, lots of discrete parts, half dozen tuned slug coils in 2 groups, could be AM/FM tuner  No power parts showing, so I'm sticking with tuner, no amp.
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boB

Quote from: mike90045 on September 22, 2015, 03:14:33 AM
Bunch of IC's, lots of discrete parts, half dozen tuned slug coils in 2 groups, could be AM/FM tuner  No power parts showing, so I'm sticking with tuner, no amp.

I was thinking the exact same thing but knowing TJ, it's gotta be something different BUT still using a radio.
There is definitely a micro-controller in there though.  Late 1980s maybe ?

boB
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RossW

And a (5-digit?), 7-segment display, if that helps anyone?
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dgd

That 8048 cpu brings back some coding memories from about 1980.
Is it a cpu control board from an old analogue synthesizer (Korg or whatever) ?

dgd
Classic 250, 150,  20 140w, 6 250w PVs, 2Kw turbine, MN ac Clipper, Epanel/MNdc, Trace SW3024E (1997), Century 1050Ah 24V FLA (1999). Arduino power monitoring and web server.  Off grid since 4/2000
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onanparts

Quote from: boB on September 27, 2015, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: mike90045 on September 22, 2015, 03:14:33 AM
Bunch of IC's, lots of discrete parts, half dozen tuned slug coils in 2 groups, could be AM/FM tuner  No power parts showing, so I'm sticking with tuner, no amp.

I was thinking the exact same thing but knowing TJ, it's gotta be something different BUT still using a radio.
There is definitely a micro-controller in there though.  Late 1980s maybe ?

boB

I can truthfully say it's not an AM/FM tuner, although it could be under certain circumstances. Right book, right chapter....wrong page. :) 5 digit display is correct. :) The original IBM PC keyboard used an 8048 microcontroller, as did some Korg and Roland synthesizers. But not a KB or Synth. boB and Mike are close enough to the fire to get their fingers very warm.....Hmmmm.....
I got the deluxe kit, it had a solar cell and a meter.

Midnite B17-10. 50kW Cont. 150kW Surge... Me/Myself/And/I

tecnodave

#398
A SIG or Air quality alert box for decoding alerts broadcast on AM/FM broadcast

I remember large industries having to have such decoding radios in the greater L.A. Basin about that time.  Air quality board could issue SIG alerts requiring certain industries to shut down. Also used for very heavy power users at peak power times to command a shutdown.

td
#1 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24volt L-16 Rolls-Surette S-530, MS4024 & Cotek ,  C-40 dirv.cont. for hot water
#2 Classic 150 12 x Sharp NE-170, 2S6P, 24 volt L-16 Interstate,Brutus Inv.
#3 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 4/6 P
#4 Kid/WBjr 4/6 Sanyo 200 watt multilayer 2S 2/3 P

ClassicCrazy

I thought this might be a good  What is it ?
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

mike90045

RF (or anti-RF) air vent port in a building. Can't tell what the flat gizmos are in a row down the center.   Usually the RFI shielded vents have small hex mesh in them, good to the GHZ range
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Halfcrazy

It looks like it has been cut. So my money is on a high current bus bar passing through the wall to a control center?
Changing the way wind turbines operate one smoke filled box at a time

ClassicCrazy

#402
Quote from: Halfcrazy on November 03, 2015, 05:13:03 AM
It looks like it has been cut. So my money is on a high current bus bar passing through the wall to a control center?

Yes Ryan has it  - was going from transformer to breakers.

Anyone want to take a guess at  the volt and amp ratings for it ?  Each copper conductor is about 1/4" thick by 2 inches .

Two different ratings for if it is mounted horizontally  like in the photo - or if it was mounted vertically instead.
Hint - the difference in those ratings is 250amps .
system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable

Halfcrazy

Well using the old standard 1by1 is 1,000 amps I would say in the picture as shown they where rated for some where around 5-700 amps as shown
Changing the way wind turbines operate one smoke filled box at a time

ClassicCrazy

Quote from: Halfcrazy on November 03, 2015, 11:17:43 AM
Well using the old standard 1by1 is 1,000 amps I would say in the picture as shown they where rated for some where around 5-700 amps as shown

It is three phase


system 1
Classic 150 , 5s3p  Kyocera 135watt , 12s Soneil 2v 540amp lead crystal for 24v pack , Outback 3524 inverter
system 2
 5s 135w Kyocero , 3s3p 270w Kyocera  to Classic 150 ,   8s Kyocera 225w to Hawkes Bay Jakiper 48v 15kwh LiFePO4 , Outback VFX 3648 inverter
system 3
KID / Brat portable